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jaimoney
Comment May 5 2009, 01:34 PM
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I've been wanting to try this for a few months now, and I think I will on the next b/g I do. But I had a couple of questions, first, I tried to search, so I just need to confirm it. Is it done dry or wet? I think I read it's done dry. If so what is used to anchor the film down? I know when I lay film down without an anchor of any sort it never wants to stay. I have a 2 door integra and 2 door cobalt coming in soon that I'd like to try it on. Thanks guys!
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scottydosnntkno
Comment May 5 2009, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (jaimoney @ May 5 2009, 02:34 PM) [*]684498[/*]
I've been wanting to try this for a few months now, and I think I will on the next b/g I do. But I had a couple of questions, first, I tried to search, so I just need to confirm it. Is it done dry or wet? I think I read it's done dry. If so what is used to anchor the film down? I know when I lay film down without an anchor of any sort it never wants to stay. I have a 2 door integra and 2 door cobalt coming in soon that I'd like to try it on. Thanks guys!

Its done dry, completely dry. Use a wet towel to lay out an H.
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clear max
Comment May 5 2009, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ May 5 2009, 04:06 PM) [*]684531[/*]
QUOTE (jaimoney @ May 5 2009, 02:34 PM) [*]684498[/*]
I've been wanting to try this for a few months now, and I think I will on the next b/g I do. But I had a couple of questions, first, I tried to search, so I just need to confirm it. Is it done dry or wet? I think I read it's done dry. If so what is used to anchor the film down? I know when I lay film down without an anchor of any sort it never wants to stay. I have a 2 door integra and 2 door cobalt coming in soon that I'd like to try it on. Thanks guys!

Its done dry, completely dry. Use a wet towel to lay out an H.



I thought he use film-on. dunno.gif
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naughtydog
Comment May 5 2009, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (fphillips @ May 5 2009, 04:29 PM) [*]684540[/*]
QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ May 5 2009, 04:06 PM) [*]684531[/*]
QUOTE (jaimoney @ May 5 2009, 02:34 PM) [*]684498[/*]
I've been wanting to try this for a few months now, and I think I will on the next b/g I do. But I had a couple of questions, first, I tried to search, so I just need to confirm it. Is it done dry or wet? I think I read it's done dry. If so what is used to anchor the film down? I know when I lay film down without an anchor of any sort it never wants to stay. I have a 2 door integra and 2 door cobalt coming in soon that I'd like to try it on. Thanks guys!

Its done dry, completely dry. Use a wet towel to lay out an H.



I thought he use film-on. dunno.gif



He does use Film-On
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scottydosnntkno
Comment May 5 2009, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (fphillips @ May 5 2009, 03:29 PM) [*]684540[/*]
QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ May 5 2009, 04:06 PM) [*]684531[/*]
QUOTE (jaimoney @ May 5 2009, 02:34 PM) [*]684498[/*]
I've been wanting to try this for a few months now, and I think I will on the next b/g I do. But I had a couple of questions, first, I tried to search, so I just need to confirm it. Is it done dry or wet? I think I read it's done dry. If so what is used to anchor the film down? I know when I lay film down without an anchor of any sort it never wants to stay. I have a 2 door integra and 2 door cobalt coming in soon that I'd like to try it on. Thanks guys!

Its done dry, completely dry. Use a wet towel to lay out an H.



I thought he use film-on. dunno.gif

But since he sprays it up in the air, then wipes it with a microfiber doesn't it essentially just dry? I thought since its a slip solution that wiping it with a towel would make it dry, kind of like when cleaning a window.
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clear max
Comment May 5 2009, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ May 5 2009, 04:04 PM) [*]684553[/*]
QUOTE (fphillips @ May 5 2009, 03:29 PM) [*]684540[/*]
QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ May 5 2009, 04:06 PM) [*]684531[/*]
QUOTE (jaimoney @ May 5 2009, 02:34 PM) [*]684498[/*]
I've been wanting to try this for a few months now, and I think I will on the next b/g I do. But I had a couple of questions, first, I tried to search, so I just need to confirm it. Is it done dry or wet? I think I read it's done dry. If so what is used to anchor the film down? I know when I lay film down without an anchor of any sort it never wants to stay. I have a 2 door integra and 2 door cobalt coming in soon that I'd like to try it on. Thanks guys!

Its done dry, completely dry. Use a wet towel to lay out an H.



I thought he use film-on. dunno.gif

But since he sprays it up in the air, then wipes it with a microfiber doesn't it essentially just dry? I thought since its a slip solution that wiping it with a towel would make it dry, kind of like when cleaning a window.


I don't know ask Ryker himself.
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lilDetails
Comment May 5 2009, 06:28 PM
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the way I lay it is with my "heavy slip" film-on bottle. I do mist it in the air but it is wiped lightly to leave just a small film on the glass. You can card the film down on like a dryer sheet or soap shrink, but it is light enough that you will not have any final cleaning film to deal with.....

I use a very damp folded paper towel to lay my side lines and I do a horizontal line to divide the top and bottom as well as a line from top to bottom in the middle to make myself 4 pockets total.

You can use a hairdryer to blow air under if you have any issues with melting the edge of film with the "under" gun. The biggest trick on the the under gun is to get it close enough to lift the film and heat the air under but not close enough to begin to really shrink the film with it.....

Both guns running on high heat and I use the Wagner HT 1000 heat guns.....

One thing on the shrink is that you will be shrinking VERY fast so if you move the gun slow you will over-shrink the film. It should lay down smooth by itself if you get it moving right.....very few waves in the film...

I also lay it out with a wet check and do a small "finish" shrink on the middle top and bottom....

I am uploading the video I have of the "finishing" I will post it when it is done....
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lilDetails
Comment May 5 2009, 06:43 PM
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here is the video of the "finish" that I do on my shrinking......

Sort of stretching the film out in the middle top and bottom. I always seem to have these fingers on top and bottom when I do my wet check. I found that if I do this little stretch shrink out then I simply DO NOT have any issues with my install having fingers pop up.....

finish shrinking back glass
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TintDude
Comment May 5 2009, 07:22 PM
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Cool technique dude. biggthumpup.gif
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justn8
Comment May 5 2009, 07:32 PM
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After watching the other vid and this... I seriously have to wreck some old film and try this way of shrinking. Cool! biggthumpup.gif

Do you use this method on all BG's? (Beetles, etc) Or just most?

This has been edited by justn8: May 5 2009, 07:39 PM
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*tintgod *
Comment May 5 2009, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (lilDetails @ May 5 2009, 09:43 PM) [*]684615[/*]
here is the video of the "finish" that I do on my shrinking......

Sort of stretching the film out in the middle top and bottom. I always seem to have these fingers on top and bottom when I do my wet check. I found that if I do this little stretch shrink out then I simply DO NOT have any issues with my install having fingers pop up.....

finish shrinking back glass<br/><object width="425px" height="360px" ><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="movie" value="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor="/><embed src="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor=" width="425" height="360" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"/></object>

that is a new one to me.. icon_mrgreen.gif beer.gif
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scottydosnntkno
Comment May 5 2009, 10:06 PM
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it looks like it takes a lot of practice
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Tint Artist
Comment May 6 2009, 07:37 AM
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Cool idea Ric!!!! beer.gif
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clear max
Comment May 6 2009, 11:00 AM
  #14





scotty.gif lol2.gif sorry I just had to do that.
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Jarrett
Comment May 6 2009, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE (lilDetails @ May 5 2009, 08:43 PM) [*]684615[/*]
here is the video of the "finish" that I do on my shrinking......

Sort of stretching the film out in the middle top and bottom. I always seem to have these fingers on top and bottom when I do my wet check. I found that if I do this little stretch shrink out then I simply DO NOT have any issues with my install having fingers pop up.....

finish shrinking back glass<br/><object width="425px" height="360px" ><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="movie" value="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor="/><embed src="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor=" width="425" height="360" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"/></object>


for some reason the link takes me to myspace, but the video wont load.

I like that idea of using a hair dryer underneath ill have to try that at some point.

with the ryk I dont think im good enough to use a heat gun underneath, worries me about melting seals.
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Jarrett
Comment May 6 2009, 01:15 PM
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the vids working for me now, that was cool. was that a white teflon you cut into that small triangle?

This has been edited by Jarrett: May 6 2009, 01:16 PM
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lilDetails
Comment May 6 2009, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE (Jarrett @ May 6 2009, 03:15 PM) [*]684805[/*]
the vids working for me now, that was cool. was that a white teflon you cut into that small triangle?


yes it is....my "corner card" I have tried the new corner cards and just still am stuck with the old custom one...


I have not had a beetle to shrink in about 6 years! I am just lucky like that... Otherwise I use this for any back window that has a curve. I even blow under and over on the smaller fingers on SUV back windows when wet shrinking them...

Just get the air going under to lift the film and hold it.
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scottydosnntkno
Comment May 6 2009, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (fphillips @ May 6 2009, 11:00 AM) [*]684772[/*]
scotty.gif lol2.gif sorry I just had to do that.

I've tried it a couple times, and can't get it, so I guess its not grinning_and_saying_no.gif

QUOTE (Jarrett @ May 6 2009, 12:33 PM) [*]684799[/*]
QUOTE (lilDetails @ May 5 2009, 08:43 PM) [*]684615[/*]
here is the video of the "finish" that I do on my shrinking......

Sort of stretching the film out in the middle top and bottom. I always seem to have these fingers on top and bottom when I do my wet check. I found that if I do this little stretch shrink out then I simply DO NOT have any issues with my install having fingers pop up.....

finish shrinking back glass<br/><object width="425px" height="360px" ><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="movie" value="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor="/><embed src="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor=" width="425" height="360" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"/></object>


for some reason the link takes me to myspace, but the video wont load.

I like that idea of using a hair dryer underneath ill have to try that at some point.

with the ryk I dont think im good enough to use a heat gun underneath, worries me about melting seals.

you could also get a adjustable heat gun and turn it down so its not hot enough to burn the film but hotter than a hairdryer? just an idea dunno.gif
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clear max
Comment May 6 2009, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ May 6 2009, 03:16 PM) [*]684839[/*]
QUOTE (fphillips @ May 6 2009, 11:00 AM) [*]684772[/*]
scotty.gif lol2.gif sorry I just had to do that.

I've tried it a couple times, and can't get it, so I guess its not grinning_and_saying_no.gif

QUOTE (Jarrett @ May 6 2009, 12:33 PM) [*]684799[/*]
QUOTE (lilDetails @ May 5 2009, 08:43 PM) [*]684615[/*]
here is the video of the "finish" that I do on my shrinking......

Sort of stretching the film out in the middle top and bottom. I always seem to have these fingers on top and bottom when I do my wet check. I found that if I do this little stretch shrink out then I simply DO NOT have any issues with my install having fingers pop up.....

finish shrinking back glass<br/><object width="425px" height="360px" ><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="movie" value="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor="/><embed src="http://mediaservices.myspace.com/services/media/embed.aspx/m=56939966,t=1,mt=video,searchID=,primarycolor=,secondarycolor=" width="425" height="360" allowFullScreen="true" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"/></object>


for some reason the link takes me to myspace, but the video wont load.

I like that idea of using a hair dryer underneath ill have to try that at some point.

with the ryk I dont think im good enough to use a heat gun underneath, worries me about melting seals.

you could also get a adjustable heat gun and turn it down so its not hot enough to burn the film but hotter than a hairdryer? just an idea dunno.gif

beer.gif
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flat rock stan
Comment May 6 2009, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (TintDude @ May 5 2009, 07:22 PM) [*]684632[/*]
Cool technique dude. biggthumpup.gif

Has he got tip of the week for this yet?
beer.gif
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TintDude
Comment May 6 2009, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (flat rock stan @ May 6 2009, 05:47 PM) [*]684863[/*]
QUOTE (TintDude @ May 5 2009, 07:22 PM) [*]684632[/*]
Cool technique dude. biggthumpup.gif

Has he got tip of the week for this yet?
beer.gif


Hey, great idea for a totw candidate for next Sunday. It's tough finding something to put up every week. thumb.gif
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jaimoney
Comment May 7 2009, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (lilDetails @ May 5 2009, 07:28 PM) [*]684612[/*]
the way I lay it is with my "heavy slip" film-on bottle. I do mist it in the air but it is wiped lightly to leave just a small film on the glass. You can card the film down on like a dryer sheet or soap shrink, but it is light enough that you will not have any final cleaning film to deal with.....

I use a very damp folded paper towel to lay my side lines and I do a horizontal line to divide the top and bottom as well as a line from top to bottom in the middle to make myself 4 pockets total.

You can use a hairdryer to blow air under if you have any issues with melting the edge of film with the "under" gun. The biggest trick on the the under gun is to get it close enough to lift the film and heat the air under but not close enough to begin to really shrink the film with it.....

Both guns running on high heat and I use the Wagner HT 1000 heat guns.....

One thing on the shrink is that you will be shrinking VERY fast so if you move the gun slow you will over-shrink the film. It should lay down smooth by itself if you get it moving right.....very few waves in the film...

I also lay it out with a wet check and do a small "finish" shrink on the middle top and bottom....

I am uploading the video I have of the "finishing" I will post it when it is done....


So since you use a damp paper towel to lay the side lines and a horizontal line, it's kind of like anchoring it with the "H" pattern, with a little bit of moisture in the pockets right?

Would you say this method is better for more curved back glasses? I'm wanting to try it on a 2 door integra b/g. Looks like it's the way to go though, if I can do it anyways!

Thanks for your input, greatly appreciated!
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scottydosnntkno
Comment May 7 2009, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (jaimoney @ May 7 2009, 02:06 PM) [*]685062[/*]
QUOTE (lilDetails @ May 5 2009, 07:28 PM) [*]684612[/*]
the way I lay it is with my "heavy slip" film-on bottle. I do mist it in the air but it is wiped lightly to leave just a small film on the glass. You can card the film down on like a dryer sheet or soap shrink, but it is light enough that you will not have any final cleaning film to deal with.....

I use a very damp folded paper towel to lay my side lines and I do a horizontal line to divide the top and bottom as well as a line from top to bottom in the middle to make myself 4 pockets total.

You can use a hairdryer to blow air under if you have any issues with melting the edge of film with the "under" gun. The biggest trick on the the under gun is to get it close enough to lift the film and heat the air under but not close enough to begin to really shrink the film with it.....

Both guns running on high heat and I use the Wagner HT 1000 heat guns.....

One thing on the shrink is that you will be shrinking VERY fast so if you move the gun slow you will over-shrink the film. It should lay down smooth by itself if you get it moving right.....very few waves in the film...

I also lay it out with a wet check and do a small "finish" shrink on the middle top and bottom....

I am uploading the video I have of the "finishing" I will post it when it is done....


So since you use a damp paper towel to lay the side lines and a horizontal line, it's kind of like anchoring it with the "H" pattern, with a little bit of moisture in the pockets right?

Would you say this method is better for more curved back glasses? I'm wanting to try it on a 2 door integra b/g. Looks like it's the way to go though, if I can do it anyways!

Thanks for your input, greatly appreciated!

key words are if you can do it
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flat rock stan
Comment May 18 2009, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE (TintDude @ May 6 2009, 07:35 PM) [*]684890[/*]
QUOTE (flat rock stan @ May 6 2009, 05:47 PM) [*]684863[/*]
QUOTE (TintDude @ May 5 2009, 07:22 PM) [*]684632[/*]
Cool technique dude. biggthumpup.gif

Has he got tip of the week for this yet?
beer.gif


Hey, great idea for a totw candidate for next Sunday. It's tough finding something to put up every week. thumb.gif

Just glad I could help lol2.gif
cheers to all
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shades of black
Comment May 20 2009, 10:55 PM
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isnt that so cool having a method named after you. Ninja-Invisible.gif
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Jarrett
Comment May 20 2009, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (TintDude @ May 6 2009, 09:35 PM) [*]684890[/*]
QUOTE (flat rock stan @ May 6 2009, 05:47 PM) [*]684863[/*]
QUOTE (TintDude @ May 5 2009, 07:22 PM) [*]684632[/*]
Cool technique dude. biggthumpup.gif

Has he got tip of the week for this yet?
beer.gif


Hey, great idea for a totw candidate for next Sunday. It's tough finding something to put up every week. thumb.gif


There should be a donate button!

I should get tip of the week for that one!
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lilDetails
Comment May 20 2009, 11:28 PM
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I am sure Ric will post that button....he did the other day!
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TintDude
Comment May 21 2009, 07:30 AM
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QUOTE (Jarrett @ May 20 2009, 11:26 PM) [*]688185[/*]


There should be a donate button!

I should get tip of the week for that one!


I can do that, I had one up for a little while, but I don't think anyone noticed so I took it down.

Funny you bring this up right now, it's really needed!

Here's the donate button:



I'll put it on the forum front page too. beer.gif
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shades of black
Comment May 21 2009, 11:08 PM
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im just starting in this business but yeah count me in specially since im sure its a pain to maintain this site.
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LROD
Comment Jun 30 2009, 05:53 PM
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Isnt that called pocket shrinking thats kinda old already i saw a guy name smokin moe do it at the SEMA show 3 years ago
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sunlimitedCT
Comment Jun 30 2009, 06:48 PM
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Yes lrod and smokin moe picked it up here.....3 years ago
http://www.tintdude.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;hl=ryk+shrink
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scottydosnntkno
Comment Jun 30 2009, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE (sunlimitedCT @ Jun 30 2009, 06:48 PM) [*]698723[/*]
Yes lrod and smokin moe picked it up here.....3 years ago
http://www.tintdude.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;hl=ryk+shrink

lol2.gif but its okay, hes from unique, hes the best
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LROD
Comment Jul 1 2009, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ Jun 30 2009, 10:02 PM) [*]698725[/*]
QUOTE (sunlimitedCT @ Jun 30 2009, 06:48 PM) [*]698723[/*]
Yes lrod and smokin moe picked it up here.....3 years ago
http://www.tintdude.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;hl=ryk+shrink

lol2.gif but its okay, hes from unique, hes the best
See now your just being a dick
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 1 2009, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (sunlimitedCT @ Jun 30 2009, 06:48 PM) [*]698723[/*]
Yes lrod and smokin moe picked it up here.....3 years ago
http://www.tintdude.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;hl=ryk+shrink



I can tell you that I know first hand that Smokin Moe has been doing this shrink since before I met him, and that was back in 03-04... he did not learn it from this site. as a matter of fact I Have posted things about the pocket shrink and nobody here knew waht I was talking about....

QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ Jun 30 2009, 07:02 PM) [*]698725[/*]
QUOTE (sunlimitedCT @ Jun 30 2009, 06:48 PM) [*]698723[/*]
Yes lrod and smokin moe picked it up here.....3 years ago
http://www.tintdude.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;hl=ryk+shrink

lol2.gif but its okay, hes from unique, hes the best



He is also correct that Smoking Moe has been doing this shrink for quite sometime. way before any of you on this site even knew about this site!
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lilDetails
Comment Jul 1 2009, 06:30 PM
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just my 2 cents.....

Pocket shrinking has been around for many years. I learned to do the pocket shrink back in 1998 when I started shrinking. The "ryk" shrink is different just slightly in that there is heat and air put UNDER the pocket all the time and the heat on top at the same time. Makes for an even better and smoother shrink!

Just try it...
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LROD
Comment Jul 1 2009, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE (lilDetails @ Jul 1 2009, 09:30 PM) [*]699073[/*]
just my 2 cents.....

Pocket shrinking has been around for many years. I learned to do the pocket shrink back in 1998 when I started shrinking. The "ryk" shrink is different just slightly in that there is heat and air put UNDER the pocket all the time and the heat on top at the same time. Makes for an even better and smoother shrink!

Just try it...


I like your style but when I saw smokin moe do his pocket shrink he used one heat gun the milwaukee the big red one and blew air in to a pocket closed the pocket so the air stood in it then shrunk it ive searched and there isnt nothing on pocket shrinking on here so im doing the best to explain
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TintDude
Comment Jul 1 2009, 08:53 PM
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http://www.tintdude.com/ryk-shrink.html
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sunlimitedCT
Comment Jul 2 2009, 04:51 AM
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You're right Lrod, thats the way I was originally taught, then different variations have come about, and I think everyone's adapted that to their own style.
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LROD
Comment Jul 2 2009, 04:56 PM
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owww hmm I think ill stick to dry shrinking lol
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 2 2009, 05:35 PM
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Unless I'm missing something ( not hating..just trying to understand)..I don't see the benefit from the method of shooting hot air under the film , then heating the film on the outside "chasing" that air downwards, then back to the edge again using a dry/soap technique..saves you needing to stick something underneath to lift it and is quicker..am I missing some benefit dunno.gif
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 2 2009, 06:18 PM
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Well Tw for one there is no wiping on of anything, as well as waiting for it to dry. You also dont have any residue left on the glass that needs to be cleaned. Nor do you have anything slippery on the back of the film.. Once you get the pocket shrink down, it is actualy faster then dry shrinking!

This has been edited by pierce8468: Jul 2 2009, 06:20 PM
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 2 2009, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 09:18 PM) [*]699382[/*]
Well Tw for one there is no wiping on of anything, as well as waiting for it to dry. You also dont have any residue left on the glass that needs to be cleaned. Nor do you have anything slippery on the back of the film.. Once you get the pocket shrink down, it is actualy faster then dry shrinking!


Hmm.I always use dry soap so there is no waiting time , an outside of a bg usually needs to be cleaned anyways and using a dry soap..theres nothing to clean off the film once it's been squegeed on ..at least the way I do it anyways dunno.gif
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scottydosnntkno
Comment Jul 2 2009, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 2 2009, 07:38 PM) [*]699384[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 09:18 PM) [*]699382[/*]
Well Tw for one there is no wiping on of anything, as well as waiting for it to dry. You also dont have any residue left on the glass that needs to be cleaned. Nor do you have anything slippery on the back of the film.. Once you get the pocket shrink down, it is actualy faster then dry shrinking!


Hmm.I always use dry soap so there is no waiting time , an outside of a bg usually needs to be cleaned anyways and using a dry soap..theres nothing to clean off the film once it's been squegeed on ..at least the way I do it anyways dunno.gif

i think the slippery stuff on the inside of the film helps in the squeegee process, especially when its hot. no sticky spots, especially since i switched to my clearmax
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Tint Wife
Comment Jul 2 2009, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ Jul 3 2009, 11:41 AM) [*]699386[/*]
QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 2 2009, 07:38 PM) [*]699384[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 09:18 PM) [*]699382[/*]
Well Tw for one there is no wiping on of anything, as well as waiting for it to dry. You also dont have any residue left on the glass that needs to be cleaned. Nor do you have anything slippery on the back of the film.. Once you get the pocket shrink down, it is actualy faster then dry shrinking!


Hmm.I always use dry soap so there is no waiting time , an outside of a bg usually needs to be cleaned anyways and using a dry soap..theres nothing to clean off the film once it's been squegeed on ..at least the way I do it anyways dunno.gif

i think the slippery stuff on the inside of the film helps in the squeegee process, especially when its hot. no sticky spots, especially since i switched to my clearmax

dunno.gif Scotty now I'm confused, what does that have to do with shrinking?
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 2 2009, 07:09 PM
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Dry soap? Fill me in my Canadian friend... I will say this though Tw, the method in this video is a good way to shrink it seems. Although I like the way I was tought it a lil better.. I learned it from Smoking Moe, who is probably the best shrinker I have ever personaly met. That guy can shrink most windows in under 2 mins, and never have a finger popping up after its installed.. Gotta give the guy credit, he wet shrinks a beetle in prob 9 mins..
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Tint Wife
Comment Jul 2 2009, 07:10 PM
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OK Scotty maybe I interpretted that wrong, I'm sure you'll explain anyway. beer.gif
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 2 2009, 07:10 PM
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Scotty it also slips out of your hands...

Tintwife he was refering to my post about the slippery back of the film...
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scottydosnntkno
Comment Jul 2 2009, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 08:10 PM) [*]699392[/*]
Scotty it also slips out of your hands...

Tintwife he was refering to my post about the slippery back of the film...

I can't say as I've ever had the film slip out of my hands due to the soap on the back? then again I r/r, but don't know if that matters?
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 2 2009, 07:18 PM
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Yea the rr would make a huge difference.. I franky it in, so it does tend to slip now and then... luckly I am as agile as a cat and can normaly catch it with no probs
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Tint Wife
Comment Jul 2 2009, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 3 2009, 12:10 PM) [*]699392[/*]
Scotty it also slips out of your hands...

Tintwife he was refering to my post about the slippery back of the film...

Thanks that makes sense now.... I was thinking shrinking techniques not post- shrink application.
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 3 2009, 04:33 AM
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QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:09 PM) [*]699390[/*]
Dry soap? Fill me in my Canadian friend...
That guy can shrink most windows in under 2 mins, and never have a finger popping up after its installed..



I showed the owner of Tint Tek20/20 how I shrink a bg..they said they never quite saw it like that and were impressed. most of my shrinks are between 2-3 minutes..never any fingers to chase down. my cloth is permiated in ivory soap, then dries out over night..I have many cloths ready to go for different back windows..you rub on the Ivory "haze" that is no longer wet so it's pretty much ready to for shrinking as soon as you smear the dried ivory soap cloth over the bg. The Ivory "smear stays on the window..not on the bg tint when shrinking. If doing many patterns of the same car, it's VERY quick because the dried soap STAYS on the window..simply shrink , then roll up pattern , grab another peice of film and shrink again without the need for re soaping. I've shrank as many as 10 precut patterns on the same soaped up bg without flaw or fingers in 30 minutes . usind dual heat guns and this technique inot.gif
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sunlimitedCT
Comment Jul 3 2009, 05:01 AM
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QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:09 PM) [*]699390[/*]
Dry soap? Fill me in my Canadian friend... I will say this though Tw, the method in this video is a good way to shrink it seems. Although I like the way I was tought it a lil better.. I learned it from Smoking Moe, who is probably the best shrinker I have ever personaly met. That guy can shrink most windows in under 2 mins, and never have a finger popping up after its installed.. Gotta give the guy credit, he wet shrinks a beetle in prob 9 mins..



9 mins. on a wet shrink on that car is damn impressive. I wouldn't attempt to do that wet. I just spary a quick shot of solution on the b/g, go to town on the doors, and by the time I'm done the b/g is nice and hazy, ready to go.
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scottydosnntkno
Comment Jul 3 2009, 06:47 AM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 3 2009, 04:33 AM) [*]699450[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:09 PM) [*]699390[/*]
Dry soap? Fill me in my Canadian friend...
That guy can shrink most windows in under 2 mins, and never have a finger popping up after its installed..



I showed the owner of Tint Tek20/20 how I shrink a bg..they said they never quite saw it like that and were impressed. most of my shrinks are between 2-3 minutes..never any fingers to chase down. my cloth is permiated in ivory soap, then dries out over night..I have many cloths ready to go for different back windows..you rub on the Ivory "haze" that is no longer wet so it's pretty much ready to for shrinking as soon as you smear the dried ivory soap cloth over the bg. The Ivory "smear stays on the window..not on the bg tint when shrinking. If doing many patterns of the same car, it's VERY quick because the dried soap STAYS on the window..simply shrink , then roll up pattern , grab another peice of film and shrink again without the need for re soaping. I've shrank as many as 10 precut patterns on the same soaped up bg without flaw or fingers in 30 minutes . usind dual heat guns and this technique inot.gif

I do the same thing, only I reuse the same soap cloth for a few weeks at a time usually, so all I have to do is spray it real quick, wipe a little more soap on it, then wipe on the backglass. when its hot out like right now, by the time I'm done wiping and go and get the film cut and my heat gun turned on its all ready to go. beer.gif
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 3 2009, 07:30 AM
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QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ Jul 3 2009, 09:47 AM) [*]699473[/*]
QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 3 2009, 04:33 AM) [*]699450[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:09 PM) [*]699390[/*]
Dry soap? Fill me in my Canadian friend...
That guy can shrink most windows in under 2 mins, and never have a finger popping up after its installed..



I showed the owner of Tint Tek20/20 how I shrink a bg..they said they never quite saw it like that and were impressed. most of my shrinks are between 2-3 minutes..never any fingers to chase down. my cloth is permiated in ivory soap, then dries out over night..I have many cloths ready to go for different back windows..you rub on the Ivory "haze" that is no longer wet so it's pretty much ready to for shrinking as soon as you smear the dried ivory soap cloth over the bg. The Ivory "smear stays on the window..not on the bg tint when shrinking. If doing many patterns of the same car, it's VERY quick because the dried soap STAYS on the window..simply shrink , then roll up pattern , grab another peice of film and shrink again without the need for re soaping. I've shrank as many as 10 precut patterns on the same soaped up bg without flaw or fingers in 30 minutes . usind dual heat guns and this technique inot.gif

I do the same thing, only I reuse the same soap cloth for a few weeks at a time usually, so all I have to do is spray it real quick, wipe a little more soap on it, then wipe on the backglass. when its hot out like right now, by the time I'm done wiping and go and get the film cut and my heat gun turned on its all ready to go. beer.gif


bingo.gif..same here. 1 cloth lasts me about 500 bg windows b4 I turf it..the more I use the same cloth..the better it gets because it literally becomes impregnated with soap Flaugh.gif
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scottydosnntkno
Comment Jul 3 2009, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 3 2009, 08:30 AM) [*]699482[/*]
QUOTE (scottydosnntkno @ Jul 3 2009, 09:47 AM) [*]699473[/*]
QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 3 2009, 04:33 AM) [*]699450[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:09 PM) [*]699390[/*]
Dry soap? Fill me in my Canadian friend...
That guy can shrink most windows in under 2 mins, and never have a finger popping up after its installed..



I showed the owner of Tint Tek20/20 how I shrink a bg..they said they never quite saw it like that and were impressed. most of my shrinks are between 2-3 minutes..never any fingers to chase down. my cloth is permiated in ivory soap, then dries out over night..I have many cloths ready to go for different back windows..you rub on the Ivory "haze" that is no longer wet so it's pretty much ready to for shrinking as soon as you smear the dried ivory soap cloth over the bg. The Ivory "smear stays on the window..not on the bg tint when shrinking. If doing many patterns of the same car, it's VERY quick because the dried soap STAYS on the window..simply shrink , then roll up pattern , grab another peice of film and shrink again without the need for re soaping. I've shrank as many as 10 precut patterns on the same soaped up bg without flaw or fingers in 30 minutes . usind dual heat guns and this technique inot.gif

I do the same thing, only I reuse the same soap cloth for a few weeks at a time usually, so all I have to do is spray it real quick, wipe a little more soap on it, then wipe on the backglass. when its hot out like right now, by the time I'm done wiping and go and get the film cut and my heat gun turned on its all ready to go. beer.gif


bingo.gif..same here. 1 cloth lasts me about 500 bg windows b4 I turf it..the more I use the same cloth..the better it gets because it literally becomes impregnated with soap Flaugh.gif

same here, but I can see what side goes down since its kinda brownish instead of the green cloth from the little bit of dirt it picks up from the window/gaskets etc. I've had the same piece of soap for like 2 years, and its still more than half its size
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 4 2009, 04:32 AM
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QUOTE (sunlimitedCT @ Jul 3 2009, 05:01 AM) [*]699455[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 2 2009, 10:09 PM) [*]699390[/*]
Dry soap? Fill me in my Canadian friend... I will say this though Tw, the method in this video is a good way to shrink it seems. Although I like the way I was tought it a lil better.. I learned it from Smoking Moe, who is probably the best shrinker I have ever personaly met. That guy can shrink most windows in under 2 mins, and never have a finger popping up after its installed.. Gotta give the guy credit, he wet shrinks a beetle in prob 9 mins..



9 mins. on a wet shrink on that car is damn impressive. I wouldn't attempt to do that wet. I just spary a quick shot of solution on the b/g, go to town on the doors, and by the time I'm done the b/g is nice and hazy, ready to go.



I was very impressed to see how fast he did it...

TW, oh ok now I see what you mean.. I was thinking maybe you had a special soap or something...

I tried the soap shrink just this week, and it was just not for me. seemed to not allow the film to float as much as a dryer sheet does... perhaps I just didnt have enough soap on the glass?
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 4 2009, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 4 2009, 07:32 AM) [*]699769[/*]
I tried the soap shrink just this week, and it was just not for me. seemed to not allow the film to float as much as a dryer sheet does... perhaps I just didnt have enough soap on the glass?


Funny thing is..whenever I show someone the way I do it.it looks easy and is quick. When they do it ..it's new ..not just the procedure is new bu the soap is new, the cloth they are using is new. Sounds crazy, but I just replaced my cloth and ivory soap bar and now it succks Flaugh.gif But I know after about using the cloth and bar of soap after a few more cars, the cloth will become embedded with dry soap making it so you need just a spritz of water on the cloth..just enough to make the ivory that's already on the cloth smear dry on the glass. Pierce..try about 5 - 10 more windows and not using a different cloth each time trust.gif the more you use the same cloth over and over (I use a sock Flaugh.gif) the better it works , no drying time, film floats as great as powder without the mess and if you feel the need for a (wet check) no need, as is squeegees down flat on the glass without relifting and spraying.
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scottydosnntkno
Comment Jul 4 2009, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 4 2009, 05:48 AM) [*]699772[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 4 2009, 07:32 AM) [*]699769[/*]
I tried the soap shrink just this week, and it was just not for me. seemed to not allow the film to float as much as a dryer sheet does... perhaps I just didnt have enough soap on the glass?


Funny thing is..whenever I show someone the way I do it.it looks easy and is quick. When they do it ..it's new ..not just the procedure is new bu the soap is new, the cloth they are using is new. Sounds crazy, but I just replaced my cloth and ivory soap bar and now it succks Flaugh.gif But I know after about using the cloth and bar of soap after a few more cars, the cloth will become embedded with dry soap making it so you need just a spritz of water on the cloth..just enough to make the ivory that's already on the cloth smear dry on the glass. Pierce..try about 5 - 10 more windows and not using a different cloth each time trust.gif the more you use the same cloth over and over (I use a sock Flaugh.gif) the better it works , no drying time, film floats as great as powder without the mess and if you feel the need for a (wet check) no need, as is squeegees down flat on the glass without relifting and spraying.

bingo.gif soak the cloth the first time, put the bar inside and rub it around until its all white and foamy Flaugh.gif then wipe the lather on the window, and let it dry until you see no more wet spots, just a nice even haze.
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 5 2009, 06:34 AM
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TW I will give it a try your way and see how it goes...
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 5 2009, 09:17 AM
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 5 2009, 09:22 AM
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I don't know if it makes a difference or not, I only tack the film down on each side of the bg (not the H pattern as most do) I personally think it takes away from the "free flow" of where the film wants to shrink with ease..that's just me..but when heating with dual heatguns strapped together, I smooth the film down while wearing an oven mitt. Average heatshrink time 2-3 minutes for an average curved bg.
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pierce8468
Comment Jul 5 2009, 12:30 PM
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I will try it that way as well... I am always game for trying something new!
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 5 2009, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 5 2009, 03:30 PM) [*]700129[/*]
I will try it that way as well... I am always game for trying something new!


Coming from the heart I say this growing up in this biz going into 30 yrs : There are tips you"ll read that are not for you..a select that are..keep an open mind no matter ..you'll always be a better seasoned tinter than ones that are "ol shcool and and long in the tooth" but without the open mind.

For every 50 tips that I disregard because I know of a better way or already know it, ther's the tip that floors me and I incorporate it to becoming a better /more efficiant tinter.

sorry for rambling Flaugh.gif

twocents.gif beer.gif
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tint123
Comment Jul 5 2009, 02:44 PM
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Having given the Ryk a shot, first was not worth crap, but each time I do it, seems to go a little better.
As with anything, practice, practice, practice.
I figure given enough tries, it will be second nature.
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 5 2009, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (tint123 @ Jul 5 2009, 05:44 PM) [*]700155[/*]
Having given the Ryk a shot, first was not worth crap, but each time I do it, seems to go a little better.
As with anything, practice, practice, practice.
I figure given enough tries, it will be second nature.



That's the attitude right there thumb.gif Ithought I was the poop.gif when I was 25..I now Know I know less now then back then Flaugh.gif
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justn8
Comment Jul 5 2009, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 5 2009, 12:22 PM) [*]700116[/*]
I don't know if it makes a difference or not, I only tack the film down on each side of the bg (not the H pattern as most do) I personally think it takes away from the "free flow" of where the film wants to shrink with ease..that's just me..but when heating with dual heatguns strapped together, I smooth the film down while wearing an oven mitt. Average heatshrink time 2-3 minutes for an average curved bg.


I never thought of that. So do you still kind of 'imagine' an anchor line running left to right across the film between your two anchor points and shrink down/up from there roughly? I want to try it and am curious if I'm picturing it correctly.
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TintWizard
Comment Jul 5 2009, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE (justn8 @ Jul 5 2009, 09:46 PM) [*]700169[/*]
QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 5 2009, 12:22 PM) [*]700116[/*]
I don't know if it makes a difference or not, I only tack the film down on each side of the bg (not the H pattern as most do) I personally think it takes away from the "free flow" of where the film wants to shrink with ease..that's just me..but when heating with dual heatguns strapped together, I smooth the film down while wearing an oven mitt. Average heatshrink time 2-3 minutes for an average curved bg.


I never thought of that. So do you still kind of 'imagine' an anchor line running left to right across the film between your two anchor points and shrink down/up from there roughly? I want to try it and am curious if I'm picturing it correctly.


Grasshoppers got it Flaugh.gif thumb.gif
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scottydosnntkno
Comment Jul 5 2009, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 5 2009, 03:19 PM) [*]700141[/*]
QUOTE (pierce8468 @ Jul 5 2009, 03:30 PM) [*]700129[/*]
I will try it that way as well... I am always game for trying something new!


Coming from the heart I say this growing up in this biz going into 30 yrs : There are tips you"ll read that are not for you..a select that are..keep an open mind no matter ..you'll always be a better seasoned tinter than ones that are "ol shcool and and long in the tooth" but without the open mind.

For every 50 tips that I disregard because I know of a better way or already know it, ther's the tip that floors me and I incorporate it to becoming a better /more efficiant tinter.

sorry for rambling Flaugh.gif

twocents.gif beer.gif

bingo.gif so many tips I got off here in the beginning caused me to F up SOO much film its not even funny. But those select few I got the hang of, they save me countless hours of time overall beer.gif
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Comment Jul 5 2009, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 5 2009, 10:18 PM) [*]700171[/*]
QUOTE (justn8 @ Jul 5 2009, 09:46 PM) [*]700169[/*]
QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 5 2009, 12:22 PM) [*]700116[/*]
I don't know if it makes a difference or not, I only tack the film down on each side of the bg (not the H pattern as most do) I personally think it takes away from the "free flow" of where the film wants to shrink with ease..that's just me..but when heating with dual heatguns strapped together, I smooth the film down while wearing an oven mitt. Average heatshrink time 2-3 minutes for an average curved bg.


I never thought of that. So do you still kind of 'imagine' an anchor line running left to right across the film between your two anchor points and shrink down/up from there roughly? I want to try it and am curious if I'm picturing it correctly.


Grasshoppers got it Flaugh.gif thumb.gif


Haha might as well learn from the guy's who've spent decades figuring this out right? Flaugh.gif I just wanted to know before I give it a go, I will tomorrow morning on an Accord. Thanks again TW!
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sunlimitedCT
Comment Jul 6 2009, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE (TintWizard @ Jul 5 2009, 12:22 PM) [*]700116[/*]
I don't know if it makes a difference or not, I only tack the film down on each side of the bg (not the H pattern as most do) I personally think it takes away from the "free flow" of where the film wants to shrink with ease..that's just me..but when heating with dual heatguns strapped together, I smooth the film down while wearing an oven mitt. Average heatshrink time 2-3 minutes for an average curved bg.



I only tack the sides as well. I'll use a glove for b/g's with a more drastic curve, but most of the time I like a teflon black....
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