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Speedy80
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I need some help, i was wondering wich machine i need to do grapics for car like SpeedGraphics
http://www.speedgraphics.net/brochure/2006-Borchure.pdf
I need machines that are good and so should the vinyls be good to. So the vinyl and the colour should last a long time. I´m new in these buisness so i dont know so much, but so much i know that you need good ink and good vinyls. So please help me find vinyl and ink and a good quality machine.

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tigerstripe
www.signwarehouse.com
TINTDESIGNZ
Get ready to spend some BIG bucks! Signwarehouse.com Its cheaper to buy the graphics and get paid for the install!
Speedy80
Ok so its no ide to buy the machine?? But do you know more places that sells graphics???
Speedy80
But if i want to buy wich machine do i need so the paint stays on longer??? Because you have to wash your car some time copcar.gif
TINTDESIGNZ
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Al-tint
(Speedy80 @ Jan 7 2006, 01:18 PM)
I´m new in these buisness



This statement scares me.

Why?

You don't "just buy a machine" and pound out graphics like the one you posted. You need to know how to use many different graphic art programs, have a huge art library and know colour, lpi and dpi.

If you have $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 burning a hole in your pocket and don't mind 3 years before an ROI, ( return on investment ) go for it.

You need to do major homework, not just ask, and I will tell you the golden answer.

Al-tint
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Speedy80
When a mean new its new with printing with colours, i have a roland cutter now and im using it. But i want to expand and do some color printing to. So its not like that i dont know anything, i just dont know so much about printing on vinyls. smile22.gif
Speedy80
(Al-tint @ Jan 7 2006, 11:31 PM)
(Speedy80 @ Jan 7 2006, 01:18 PM)
I´m new in these buisness



This statement scares me.

Why?

You don't "just buy a machine" and pound out graphics like the one you posted. You need to know how to use many different graphic art programs, have a huge art library and know colour, lpi and dpi.

If you have $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 burning a hole in your pocket and don't mind 3 years before an ROI, ( return on investment ) go for it.

You need to do major homework, not just ask, and I will tell you the golden answer.


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Yes i understand what you mean you cant just buy a machine and use it, you have to know a little about graphic programs. And i do know about graphic programs i not a expert but i can use it, i have gone on a class How to use Photoshop. So its not like that i dont know anything. I just want to expand and a thought i could get some help from you Guys because i think you know more than me.
tigerstripe
you need a laminator if you are using eco solvants, or for long lasting prints and no overlays, get a thermal printer, like the edge series from gerber, the average only prints 13" but they last,

you can also get more kits from restylerschoice.com and vinylgraphics.com

both are top notch companies and will sell to almost anyone, no clubs to join.
Speedy80
(tigerstripe @ Jan 7 2006, 11:50 PM)
you need a laminator if you are using eco solvants,  or for long lasting prints and no overlays, get a thermal printer, like the edge series from gerber,  the average only prints 13"  but they last, 

you can also get more kits from restylerschoice.com and vinylgraphics.com

both are top notch companies and will sell to almost anyone,  no clubs to join.
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Thank you i well check it out
Al-tint
Ok. I will help you.

Forget everything that you know about vinyl plotters.

Printing graphics is 10% machine and 90% artwork.
Garbage in --------------- Garbage out.

Take all of your colour art programs and create several graphics that you are proud of and think that others will pay for. Compare those to what is out in the marketplace. Have 53 buddies look at it. Send me the artwork and I will tell you if it is worth printing at the size you require.

A vinyl printer will print exactly what it is told to print. You can't make apple pie out of dog crap.

Do the colour artwork first. Then look for a printer.
tigerstripe
also you will want to upgrade to a good printing program like flexi sign pro.

its a great program not just for printing, but its wonderful for designing,

we do alot of semi trucks, and I can take a picture of the truck, add all the lettering, and pinstriping, and graphics, change colors and sizes and placement, let the trucker sign off on it then we put it on.

hope all goes well for you. keep us posted on what you do.
Speedy80
(tigerstripe @ Jan 7 2006, 11:59 PM)
also you will want to upgrade to a good printing program like flexi sign pro.

its a great program not just for printing, but its wonderful for designing,

we do alot of semi trucks, and I can take  a picture of the truck, add all the lettering, and pinstriping, and graphics,  change colors and sizes and placement, let the trucker sign off on it then we put it on.

hope all goes well for you.  keep us posted on what you do.
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Yes i will. I´m already using Flexi sign pro for my roland cutter its a good program. But the problem is about the printer wich one is good for doing graphics on cars that last for o long time even when you wash your car orngbiggrin.gif orngbiggrin.gif
Speedy80
(Al-tint @ Jan 7 2006, 11:58 PM)
Ok. I will help you.

Forget everything that you know about vinyl plotters.

Printing graphics is 10% machine and 90% artwork.
Garbage in --------------- Garbage out.

Take all of your  colour art programs and create several graphics that you are proud of and think that others will pay for. Compare those to what is out in the marketplace. Have 53 buddies look at it. Send me the artwork and I will tell you if it is worth printing at the size you require.

A vinyl printer will print exactly what it is told to print. You can't make apple pie out of dog crap.

Do the colour artwork first. Then look for a printer.
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I will start making some nice graphics, most of the graphics is for cars like the SpeedGraphic http://www.speedgraphics.net/brochure/2006-Borchure.pdf
Speedy80
(Al-tint @ Jan 7 2006, 11:58 PM)
Ok. I will help you.

Forget everything that you know about vinyl plotters.

Printing graphics is 10% machine and 90% artwork.
Garbage in --------------- Garbage out.

Take all of your  colour art programs and create several graphics that you are proud of and think that others will pay for. Compare those to what is out in the marketplace. Have 53 buddies look at it. Send me the artwork and I will tell you if it is worth printing at the size you require.

A vinyl printer will print exactly what it is told to print. You can't make apple pie out of dog crap.

Do the colour artwork first. Then look for a printer.
[*]358704[/*]


And if you cant do some good graphic work you can always buy nice works smile22.gif
tigerstripe
like I said before, gerber edge is a good thermol printer for long lasting prints

or if you go with an ecosolvent printer, make sure you use a cold laminator with it, and you should get 5-7 years average use.

my favorite printer and cutter would probably be on of the sumagraphics/chromagraphics machines

some will print and cut all in one

if your rolland dosnt have a RM eye on it lining up materials will suck

still plan on dropping at the least $15,000 to $60,000 on a basic machine, thats why the kits sell for what they do.
Speedy80
(tigerstripe @ Jan 8 2006, 12:11 AM)
like I said before,  gerber edge is a good thermol printer for long lasting prints

or if you go with an ecosolvent printer,  make sure you use a cold laminator with it, and you should get 5-7 years average use.

my favorite printer and cutter would probably be on of the sumagraphics/chromagraphics machines

some will print and cut all in one

if your rolland dosnt have a RM eye on it lining up materials will suck

still plan on dropping at the least $15,000 to $60,000 on a basic machine,  thats why the kits sell for what they do.
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Do you know some shop you can recommend?? what web adress to they have
tigerstripe
what do you mean shop?

someone who does the work, or sells the machines?
tigerstripe
http://www.signwarehouse.com/color-printer...utter_home.html


heres a link to large format printers
TINTDESIGNZ
Al-you must be on ignore! lol2.gif
Al-tint
(mountainmang @ Jan 7 2006, 03:19 PM)
al tint, that graphic is wayyyy off hmmmmmmm.gif  seems to me like it slants 1/32 of an inch to the right sweat.gif
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha.

You know, after I paneled it from the bottom up, I stood back and had a good look at it and it is a 32nd out at the top. I thought about triming it, and then thought well it's only on for a year, and left it.

What I didn't expect is a jackass like you to POINT it out to the world. spit.gif lol2.gif lol2.gif
Al-tint
gasp.gif It's the camera angle, really it is. gasp.gif
Al-tint
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Speedy80
(tigerstripe @ Jan 8 2006, 12:17 AM)
what do you mean shop? 

someone who does the work, or sells the machines?
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Yes someone who sells the machines smile22.gif
TINTDESIGNZ
Al-now I KNOW your on ignore! lol2.gif





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