Best anchoring system (not 995 pleeeez)

I am probably not the only person that hates working with 995.
Is there a better option out there?
I saw the Pentagon Elite flexible anchor in the 44tools.com catalog which I thought was the answer to my nitemares with 995 but found out they were charging $5/lin-ft. Is there any other anchoring products out there that can relieve me of my cold sweats working with 995? Thanks a bunch.

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Yes, ACE has a glass attachment system for BMAG but I am hoping for something less drastic and economical for my customers. Thanks.

there is a new dryglaze I have used before that looks just like wetglaze but dry. It comes in 8 foot incraments and has double sided adhesive on both sides that bond to the frame and the glass and then there is a channel in the middle that u put a bead of 995 in for added adhesion. offers the same protection as wetglaze.

It is 87 times easier and 87 times less mess. It all looks uniform. You measure your lenghts and cut it like crown molding to match up in the corners.

And then there is framelock like climber said or there is framegaurd, gullwing, LluLlu makes an anchoring system that is in an L shape with double sided adhesive to bond to frame and glass.

If your with ACE then there is Hanitas frameing system that yall shouldnt have a problem getting.

hey ace. i just returned home yesterday from a 995 job and picked up some tips from another installer that really improved the appearance of my work. what are some of the problems you're having?

Its just running and sticky and is a pain to work with. We tape off the edges and glass and we have a plastic spreader that we have notched. When we start the 995 shaping, it looks pretty good. Its once you get to the end that it starts looking bad and when you pull the tool off the 995, it sticks and just looks god awful. Thanks for the help.

Can you give me more information on the gullwing and LluLlu double-sided tape anchor? Is LluLlu Llumar? I called and they said they only have Frame/Lok. Thanks.

same problems i've been having. it helps if whatever plastic tool you use lines up good with both inside edges of the two tape strips. use enough pressure to bend the plastic spreader. don't lift the tool at the corner, wait until you're near the middle and swipe it off of the bead. don't lift the tool straight away from the bead. getting the right amount of 995 on the glass is important and i still have problems with that even though i use an electric gun. if and when you get those stalactite pieces that hang down just come back later and clip them close with scissors when it starts to dry. sometimes i get that little strip of 995 parrallel to the bead with about a 1/16 gap. looks like crap. hold a paper towel tightly around a white card and push that bit of 995 into the main bead and, without lifting up, slowly go down the length of the bead and the edge will get more uniform. using 995 sucks. hope this helps.

from what I hear you are not supposed to have a concave application of 995. Its supposed to be flat not concave and by pushing down on the troul and bending it, it will cause a concave application and comprimises the integrety. sound like a tech guy or something.

But when you get to the corners dont lift the tool just make the turn and keep going and when you get to the end push tool down into the corner and lift on the handle so you get a smooth caulk line into the corner.

As far as the dryglaze im not sure where to get it but I can try to find out. I am a contractor and it is givin to me to install I dont purchase the stuff.

the bead won't go concave unless the tool edge in contact with the 995 is rounded. the tool edge should be flat(straight). the corners ride down the edges of the tape. the little bit extra pressure smears the 995 onto the tape better and provides a cleaner edge when you pull the tape. maybe we're using different tools.

by the way, i'd be interested in seeing a pic of the dryglaze. sounds like less of a pain in the @ss.

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I called Madico and they said they only sell their gullwing product to authorized dealers :-(

Maybe we can get a group purchase together for the Pentagon system. This is Pentagon's pricing.
Each roll is 100ft
1-3 rolls $5/ft ($500/roll)
4-9 rolls $4.50/ft ($450/roll)
10+ rolls $4/ft ($400/roll)

Pictures of the Pentagon Anchor is at http://www.pentagonusa.com

Anyone interested?

Their website just has too much information too sift through, sorry.


It would be nice to get some more information on the pentagon stuff....

yea no doubt, I cant find my way threw there way to much stuff going on.

The stuff looks like gullwing to me from the picture but there isnt much info on the website.

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Yea, it does look like interesting stuff, similar to the gullwing. Might have to look into it.

If you don't like working with it, hire a glazer to do it.

I have installed so much of it, it is easy. Just takes time to prep

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Just out of curiosity has anyone ever tried installing the 995 chilled on Ice. I have been pulling sausages of 995 out of cooler and running it thru my Milwaulkee Gun and have rarely had problems with it stringing or being chocolately to work with as long as I pull the tape before it heats up too much.

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Are there any Gullwing dealers here in the USA?
What is pricing on something like this? Thanks.

I couldnt tell you a deffenit price on it because it varies from market to market but I am thinking no more than 8 a linear foot.

try looking at HanitaTek's Advanced Security Solutions

www.hanitatek.com

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gullwing I think is one of madico's frame attachments systems. I dont know if there is another company that offers the same thing at a different price or if it is the same thing at all. If you are interested in the gullwing I would go strait to madico or one of thier distributors to get it.

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Hello everyone,

1. is the frame attachment system better, easier and reliable product than using wet glazing coat?
2. I can get you the right person to talk about prices and availability of MADICO gullwing products.

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If you say it's easier, then how you work with curved french windows? I think the wet glaze coat will do better that job. Hit me back with more info.

PM was sent

And can anybody answer my thread?
http://www.tintdude.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24460

Thanks.

yes on something that is curved it would be better to silicone it.

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News from MADICO:

In few months they will offer the following products:

-FrameGard
-Gullwing
-Lifeline
-Wetglaze.

If anybody here is looking for FrameGard, PM me, I have a contact on Tampa, FL who has a smiliar product that may help you.

Cheers,

Safety Window Film with Attachment is designed to bond the glass and window frame together to prevent glass from leaving the frame. The window film application is extended out to the edge of the glass or onto the frame. There are two methods of attachment

Silicone: Replaces the existing window gasket with structural silicone bonding the glass/film to the window frame. The flexibility of the silicone absorbs the shock from glass breakage and yields to pressure without releasing.

Mechanical: Adds a patented inner frame to the existing windows sandwiching the film between the two. A glass side gasket cushions the glass and removes sheer points. Mechanical attachments can be two or four-sided. Mechanical attachment systems match the color of existing frame.

Article from: http://www.enprodistributing.com/products/safety/options.htm

Silicone: wet glaze, 995 & GE
Mechanical: frame guard, gullwing and lifeline.

For someone selling their stuff for $5 a lf, you would think they cold return a phone call or 2 within 1 month. I'll stick with 995 and frameguard.

anybody here interested in the Elit product? is very very similar to GullWing.
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Working on a system to do away with tape and tool for dow 995, 10 times faster, cleaner, etc. Will have prototype soon. If interested, email info@filmsolutions.net

The only problem here is that Pentagon Elite is really the Gullwing System I am surprise that they can purchasing this through Martin Webb and go behind Madico back.

And the pentagon Select is Frame/Lok Attachment which they have no right to it.

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whatever happened to tinting windows?

Gee willikers, I saw the date on the top of this thread and I thought "Holy Cow, I slept for like 3 weeks!"

GOTCHA!!! And, made ya


*GRIN*