5%

My friend just got twp layers of 15% all around. Its pretty dark. But it looks good!!

ummmmm.....

okay?

Yea, I'm sure it looks real nice.....

Is it full of dirt.. .....like all the rest...

and the question is icant see out






Oz..........

So...... your "friend" has film that is beyond the limits of State Law, and you come on here wanting us to give you applause ?
Let me guess, he had Gila film put on, cause no Pro is going that far beyond the law !

His next posting will be....

My friend just got a ticket for 200 bucks, how does he get out of this ticket

somebody heeeelp

That is just stupid I hope it is not my kid he runs over

hahah yea i told him he wouldnt be able to see out but he thinks he can . Its on a 05 black m3 all tricked out. he had it done at this place www.accutinseattle.com. They use a Llumar film.

www.accutintseattle.com

No one likes a tattle tale.......except of course me.....

hmmm....on the auto tint page of that site...it says "Obey your local tint laws." hmmmm

and 2 layers of 15 is 2.5...not 5.

basic math is a good thing

2.25 if ya wanna get technical

Geez, he gives the name of the place that did it, maybe he will give his friends address so the cops can be waiting when he pulls onto the street ???

why would I care I dont own the place Cops really dont care about tint here luckily for him and the tinter. Here and in surrounding areas alot of cops stero type you by the car you have. nice car= no gettin pulled over unless you do something like speeding etc. haha In the area I live they dont second look my friends car (the one with I guess 2.5% tint) they just pass us. Since he got them tinted he said hes passed or have seen around 5 cops, which dont do anything when they see him. I guess lucky for him because he has such a nice car hahah O well must be nice.

OK who are you really

There is no way this is real...must be a regular member

Noone is this stupid

i dont know about that..

This "friend" thing is funny !
His "friend" is not able to come on here and post on his own ?
Of course not ! His "friend" is not smart enough to get legal tint, he sure ain't smart enough to know how use a computer !

Are you kidding me, they out right advertise that they will match the factory tint?!

I'm sorry but you usually have to have atleast a 20% to be close, if not down to 15%.

WTF.

went from this.....



to this.....



i guess i grew up tint wise.

Phuck dark tint I want to see where i'm going IMO 35% all the way around or 20/35 is efective and looks classy on cars 05% looks getto
but some gangstas like dem daaak pappas not the image I would want

Lets see, tricked out M3 with limo, I doubt he'll ever do anything stupid enough to get pulled over....

So what is the question here?? How retarded do we think that is??

laugh dark tints, i love em. haha okay i personally have rolled around with extremely dark windows on all of my cars...first off there is no way he can see anything out of the side and back at night unless its head nights or maybe a dark shadowy outline of things.

LOL, until recentlyi rolled around with double stacked atr 5% (i was from oklahoma, go figure). But now days I am out here in the panhandle of texas and i ripped all it off and have been rolling around in the "glass house" for awhile now..LOL

funny how we never find time to do things for ourselves?!? lol sorry kinda went out in left field on this one.

im also from seattle and the kid is right. cops dont give a damn about dark tints. all my cars have been 5% and not once have i got pulled over for tint violations..or recived a ticket for it when i did get pulled over for something like speeding, not even a word about it. everyone i know has !llegal tint, even on the windsheild. and personally, i think it looks much better than 35 or some 1/2way see through B.S.

Folks like yourself are exactly why states make legal tint limits lighter and lighter....

There are always plenty of people willing to do anything for cash, I dont know why anyone is supprised.
No thanks, partially to people like that, they are trying to change our tint laws here.

when that guy turns a corner a nite and hits a person steping of a curb to cross the street.somebody will have to pay.will it be the driver the retard that tinted it or .the insurance co.i think not .think about it.i would remove it NOW...

No offense Mike but that is the stupidest arguement I've ever heard on this subject. The fact that tinters are the only ones who bring up this scenario is scary. I believe that dark tint can be dangerous. But not like this, c'mon.

On the other hand. Double 15%? Whats the point? For the most part 15% will look just as dark on the outside as 5%. On a small coupe, with prob a dark interior, i really cant see why anyone would put double 15%, unless it was just to say he did. It is a bad idea, but i think that as pro tinters we (in a wierd way) need to stand up for dumbasses like this m3 driver. If we're all on here saying that dark (15%-35%) tint is gonna cause the death of people walking, or police approaching a car than how are we ever gonna stop law makers from outlawing tint of any shade on any window.

Of course this is a safety issue and the safety of many people is more important than the safety of a few. I will say that I feel safer when I'm driving home from Yankee Stadium, with a lady, at night and nobody can see in my car. There is a level of danger that comes along with almost all occurances in everyday life. I feel most of it is based on when and where you are. I dont think its in our best interest as employed Americans to do a diservice to our industry by telling people that they are gonna run somebody over b/c of tint.

this was to respond to post#1.would you feel safe driving at nite with two layers of 15% ON YOUR WINDOWS. I THINK NOT.its like driving with side blinders on like a race horse wears..i have 35% on all my cars front doors.do you even know why they have tint laws. for autos.the roads are a lot safer if you as a driver can see and make eye contact with other drivers.how can you stand up for a dumb person like that.just to make a $.?and i did not say some one will die over that.this was for safety. for pepole that think 2 layers of film that dark is a good idea.and if you need to feel safe driving at nite mybe you should get a body gaurd.

Corect me if I'm wrong but, I thought that in some states that that wouldn't be so much an 'argument' as it would be the actual law.

Speaking of the validity of one's agrgument...
If we're all saying that "dark" film could lead to deaths of pedestrians or a lack of adequate vision for police (which we're clearly all not), then why would we take issue with any proper legislation to prevent it?

I think that it is exactly in our best interest to not do a disservice to the industry by conducting business with integrity and pride rather than greed and selfishness.

Of course I agree that some of the state laws limiting total VLT percentages might be overkill, but you can't logically argue - in a public forum, mind you - that it should be acceptable to promote ignorance of the law and show no regard for the safety of others for the simple purpose of sustaining one's personal vitality.

Just to be clear mike, I would not put 2 layers of 15 on anybodys car. I was agreeing with your point. I just think its stupid to say that if you have limo tint on your front windows you're gonna kill sombody. I dont agree with that type of scare tactic. I do not promote law breaking. Someone that spent money for a alleged hooked up m3 will be pissed enough to hear that he could back into a dumpster, or curb some expensive wheels b/c of the windows being too dark. Which these clearly are. Why bring the loss of human life into the arguement? That is what these people who are against window tinting want to hear. And to hear it from us cant be good for the business.

You say that you have 35% on your front windows, but in NY thats considered too dangerous. Even for the rear doors on a station wagon like i drive. I keep all of my equipment in the rear of my car including the back seat and i cant legally tint those windows darker than 70%. In my opinion thats B.S.

And about getting a body guard, be serious. just proving my point that you make stupid arguements. Your just like the cops who told me to "just buy a work van."

Speaking of the validity of one's agrgument...
If we're all saying that "dark" film could lead to deaths of pedestrians or a lack of adequate vision for police (which we're clearly all not), then why would we take issue with any proper legislation to prevent it?

We would take issue when the laws become out of control and the general consumer suffers as well as the people who rely on the business to survive. I'm speaking about a 70% vlt state like NY where I currently live and work.

I think that it is exactly in our best interest to not do a disservice to the industry by conducting business with integrity and pride rather than greed and selfishness.




I think the point of a public forum is to let people hear all sides to an issue and then make up their own mind. In no way am i saying that it is ok to "promote ignorance of the law and show no regard for the safety of others." If you knew anything about me you would know that i dont do anything for the money. Theres more to life than makin money and, I'm not rich by anymeans but its pretty low on my list of priorities. Not that anyone cares, but to lump me in with money hungry cut-throats in this industry isn't fair. Just like it isn't fair to equate the words tinted front windows (any shade), and, dangerous.

again i did not say you're gonna kill sombody with dark film. that was you look up at what you said not me.all i mean is it's a bad idea to go that dark on (front door,s)if the the guy with the m3 did due somthing like that it is not good for us.that,s all i ment by what i said.it,s a little different then a wheel or a garbage can. it was a safety point i was trying to make.

I had 5% tint on my front two windows on my truck for a bit until I got a ticket for it. I now have on tint on the front but still 5% over the factory privacy glass in the rear since it's legal. Guess what? I never ran over anyone. I never hit anyone or anything. I didn't find it all that unsafe like you guys say. Sure you do sometimes have to roll down your window but as long as you use some common sense I don't see a problem.

Then again there are a lot of idiots in this world that don't have common sense so I'm not sure people really need it.

Especially for the guys saying 20% is unsafe. 5% you at least might have to roll your windows down sometimes at night in a dark road. However, I've never thought of 20% as unsafe. You can see out pretty easily at night. I think it's stupid that if it's !llegal it's going to kill someone. That's simply not the case. 20% really isn't that dark.
5% is dark but you can still see out fine during the day and if it's at night you can see out as long as there are lights around you. In a dark street or something just roll it down. Not like it's that hard.

I do not think you should have anything darker than 35% on a windshield though and not sure I think you should have any darker than 50%.

This seems to be an idiotic response, IMHO. 5% on the sides AND 35% on the windshield??? That's just a ticking timebomb! To say you can see fine at night 'as long as there are lights around' is like saying ' I can hit this beehive aith a baseball bat' and not expect to get stung. 5% film impedes your ability to see at night no matter how many street lights there are on. Let's just see how much you continue to talk out your azz when some kid runs out from between two cars at night. Your reaction time will be slowed, since your visibility is greatly reduced. Add to that having 35% on your winshield and your just waiting for an accident. Using common sense is your argument for this application?? Common sense would dictate applying nothing more than legal limit. I would love to see how often you really roll down your window, especially in a rain or snow storm.

The reason New York has such a knee jerk law on tint is because of idiots who think that having such dark films is safe. As the families of the cops who were killed because they approached a car with limo all the way aound. I bet they would tell ya exactly what I am thinking........... You are a fool!!!

Whats the point of this post????????????? SO WHAT!

I agree with HTM. I have 5% on my fronts now, and 50% on the whole windsheild with 5% strip on top. I have a medical exemption after having lasik done, and the film hasn't caused any problems. I had 20% with 50% over it(so ~10%) for 3 years with zero problems, no tickets or anything. Then about 2 years ago I switched to 5% after my Lasik, and have no issues with it. Like he said, you just have to use common sense. During the day it doesnt impair your vision at all, you can still see everything. At night, the only time I have to roll the windows down is when I'm backing out of my driveway, because theres no lights along it, and its about 200ft long. Roll the window down 6" so I can see my driver mirror and its all set.

As for the kid running out of the cars at night, #1 most kids are smart enough to not run in front of cars, #2 if your doing the speed limit and they run in the road, you are not responsible because you were doing nothing wrong, and #3, for the side window tint to affect your vision, if the kid was running out of the cars in the part you see through the side windows, you would definately not have enough time to stop even if you did see him. Look out your front windows, and you'll see that through your side windows you see maybe 25 ft in front of your car on the driver side and about 5 ft or less on the passenger side. So again, if the kid was running in front of you within those distances where your vision is "impaired", you wouldn't be able to stop in time, even going 25mph.

I have my car tinted because I have a exemption from my Lasik, and had it tinted before that for safety. Between my film, tools, tool sets, gps, and stereo, I have thousands of dollars of stuff that could be stolen in less than 3 minutes in my car if you were to break in. I have it tinted so that you can't see whats in the car, if you can't see it, you can't steal it. Not only that, but the film makes it much harder to break in through the windows, since you can't punch and grab like normal. You would have to take long enough to both set off my two way alarm AND draw attention to yourself. Same reason I shaved the outside locks on my car, so you can't just pop the lock and open the door.

Theres more reasons people have dark film than to just "be cool". Many people who I do darker film for have legitimate excuses, so I have no problems with doing it. If its a kid who just wants limo all around to be cool, then I tell him to go somewhere else or to get 20 put on.

I don't have 35% on my windshield. Or have my windshield tinted at all for that matter. I've never had a tinted windshield but I've had my front two windows tinted 35% and I could see out fine. It was hardly any worse than no tint.

With the 5% you are right it does decrease your visibility at night as does all tint. Yes you do need to roll them down if not in a well lit area. However, is it a big deal to roll it down? Even on dark unlit streets I could see if someone was standing next to the truck or on the side of the road. Might not could see what they looked like but you could see if something was there. If there were lights around it was a non issue.

With 20% I don't see how that's a issue at all as I can see out of it in a unlit area pretty easily.

I've never ever heard of people running over someone because they couldn't see out of a window with 20% tint. Maybe it's happended but I suspect that the driver just used that as an excuse if it did happen. If you can't see out of 20% tint you shouldn't be allowed to drive at all at night as your vision isn't good enough to drive in the dark anyway.

What does Lasik have to do with it... I had it done it doesn't need to be darker..Only for the first four days.. Light colored eyes are more senseitive to light as mine are.. it is just a lame accuse..

Well everyone is different. My eyes are EXTREMELY sensitive to light now after having the surgery. I have dark brown/hazel colored eyes, and still wear sunglasses when it is sunny out and I drive in my car. If its too bright I'm constantly squinting, and my eyes feel like their burning from the light.

The point I was trying to make is that we, as window tinters, should not be saying that tint can cause accidents. Everyone knows dark tint is harder to see out of. But I think the point Mike was trying to make is that tint can be an easy thing to blame when it comes to accidents or other circumstances. When people hear that stuff you get what happened here. Being a 70% state sucks.

We should be able to tint our vehicles the way we need to and the law should be considerate of people who need darker tint. Ive had dark tint on my car for years for many of the same reasons as scotty, (no lasic 4 me tho). Got a ticket here and there, and it sucks, but its the law. I think i can see fine with 15% all around and nothing on the windshield. I also think that there are people who wouldnt see fine like that, and those drivers are a hazzard to everyone on the road.

I think something needs to be done to change the laws here. I'm not sure what that might be so far, but I will be trying.

I think that the laws really are more about the safety of police officers more than anything when it comes down to it. With that said, !llegal VLT can certainly be used as evidence against an offender in a civil suit of some kind; and yes at times I'm sure that it could be utter BS, but that has little to do with tint and much more to do with lawyers knowing how to work every angle and so on...

It's evident that this is just one another of the multitude of threads in which no one will change anyone elses mind but, I will say that any respectable shop owner - regardless of how they operate in regard to this issue - certainly will educate their customers as far as the local film laws, the reasons for them and the negative consequences of not adhering to them.

I agree with the fact that usually the laws are for the safety of the police officers. I know that if I was an officer, I would be a little bit leary walking up to a car that is tinted all around. At the same time, I don't really have that problem because I don't speed so I don't get pulled over, but also that around me probably 40% of the cars on the road have the front two tinted. Its just the thing to do around here, and believe it or not I get more older(40+) people asking for !llegal tint that I do young kids. I think its because they don't want to be blinded all the time when their driving.

I would argue that the eye contact argument doesn't matter even on a car that has no tint at night.

Arguing dark tint and visibility issues, wouldn't dark sunglasses be just as bad. I know people who wear sunglasses all the time day or night everywhere they go. The is no law against that as far as I know.