Clio rear window shrink!!

Tried to email the file boys but it to big here is the url address i uploaded it onto youtube. and this was done without soap or powder and with no creases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaJMp1dw0Vk[/url]

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fair shout if you can do it wet, i prefer soap myself

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nice job dude.....but...im not trying to give you a hard time..but i did see some crease up in the top left hand corner..were those in the cut off area?

there was a tiny line in the middle way outside the cut out area no where else remember i was being timed but i fitted the tint it was perfect u have my word!!!!

you should be able to cut your time in half if you did it with the soap method

Why did you not post a close up with it on the glass so everyone could see it was crease free?

Also some of the spears/flutes you shrank looked as though they were being exposed to high heat in a small area which can make the film more prone to failure later on (a year two years etc)

IMHO dry shrinking, taking a large area of film at a time at a lower temp can be quicker and mean the installation lasts longer. But thats just my opinion

im just trying to show people how well this film shrinks it was hard enough to upload that clip cos it was such a big file ive been working with this film for four years now so i know how much heat it can take. just for you i will film i t outside with better light in hi res with closeups on the window after the shrink if you dont wanna t ake my word for it!!!!!!!

very good job

Not trying to get into a DMC - its quite clear you can shrink film. Just a suggestion for the next time you want to post something like this it'll give you more credibility.

As for how much heat a film can take, the speed with which those spears were shrinking suggested they were under a lot of stress (heat). I have seen cars done six, seven years ago where the film has failed on the rear screen. What shows up most is the Zig - Zag lines where the spear has been shrunk. Especially noticable on wet shrinks.

I know guys that wet shrink those screens just like you but they move the spear as soon as they see the film react therefore spreading the stress. Still not my favourite method but just MO. When other people are trying to learn something this is useful to now.

its not about credability i posted the film to show people how well the film that i sell shrinks if you read the topic about the top hardest screens nearly every post said a phase two clio was right up there i made the vid to show how a high quality film with a high heat resistance like sun tek can shrink so well on an extreme curve! theres no doubt if i tried that with sungard or llumar or solargaurd i would have struggled!! for me a clio is not a hard window cos i have done so many of them and as for the long term failure no zig zags are never visable after u have wet shrunk and cars i have seen that were done six years ago they still look perfect as u get a lifetime warranty from suntek agaisnt fading or any addeshive failure. i have tried the soap method but stick to wot i know. all these question tintim why not film and time yourself show us the tintim way??????

I smell a DMC

Oh yeah....

Shrink King - Ignore Tintim - he's yanking your chain.
At least you had the balls to do it for the masses

Aain't no tape big enough

You wanna see me shrink pay me some money! My knowledge comes through trial and error, listening to other tinters trying new things - its why I can charge a premium and don't struggle.

If you aint had a film failure you haven't be doing it long enough. Clio's easy - nothing i can't do it in - metalised Sunguard, Llumar . Film is largely film the differences are minimal when you are talking about the better end of the market. They all go through phases where their films have problems be it with adhesive failures or contamination.

How come you have trouble with Llumar I was under impression Suntek makers are ex lumar employees - same wafer thin stuff we have a roll lying about here somewhere. Both are Okay nothing to get excited about.

You said you would struggle with the Clio in Sunguard, llumar or Solarguard - surely not shrink King. - starting to see why you started selling film

precisley aint no tape big enough or wide enough to get you big head in!!! and u charge a premium because unlike everyone else in this forum who has built up their own business and reputation u needed to buy into the pentagon franchise to get your premium and customers!! said i would struggle cos i meant in that time i could do that window with any film if i took abit longer and not do it in five minutes flat! and as for not doing it long enough been tinting the same time as you if you look in my profile, i know pentagon supply their franchises with sungard film dont think many people will have a good word to say about that stuff!! come on put your money where your mouth and post that film!!!!!

Tintim, i thought Pentagon produced there own film, thats what the rep told a local dealership of mine?, is this not true, just curious

Hey you win your the best Clearly you know everything about Pentagon why else would I use llumar, bekart, Johnsons, Sunguard or any other film I want. but you must be right cause your the Shrink King Your not a Pentagon reject ru - big company u know with a lot of tinters many of whom had a business before they bought a franchise - but then you know all this

The problem with people like you is your using this Forum just to sell film. As I know this Forum its for professional tinters to share tips and advice. The Object of you posting a clio in Suntek film shrunk, is to sell Suntek film - you didn't post it to show people how to shrink. Proper practice means after six months or so a Clio is easy enough - the more you do the better you get.

As far as I'm concerned this industry has suffered from too many people not offering proper training they just want to sell film and as much of it as possible - seems like evryone is selling film. People start up knock out some dodgy work and then decide its not for them - feeds the bubbling, peeling,crappy tint jobs that the general public know.

Some questions:

1. I understand that Vinyl Logistics have the sole rights to distribute Suntek film in the UK - where do you get your supplies from?

2.Suntek may well offer a good warranty with their film but surely they will only honour this if the film has come through their distributor?

Why should anyone care - professional tinters do so that they can carry out warranty work on film failures. Given time all film fails in some way - which is why I said you haven't been doing this long enough - but you did not see that you just saw me saying I was better then you.

Maybe I am - maybe you are, but look again at the profiles your maths is probaly as good as your supply chain

Hey firstglass, they do have tinted variants of the 12 Thou film made specially for them in the states. Its the Supaglass.

ahh i see, thanks for the reply

WOW you tell em Tintim I had to rant yesterday, your turn today

Sorry dude - it just winds me up sometimes. You try and offer some helpful advice and you get the same old

Look at all the changes we've had from, Splicing, Stretching, wet shrink, baby powder shrink, dryer sheets shrink, soap method, plexus method.

I though it was kinda universally accepted that if you could shrink the required area of film at just the right temperature to get the film to lay just flat under no tension - you'd have the perfect method. Hence the double heat guns, infra red heaters etc which work very well for me.

Hey rant over better out then in

Tintim - are you using the infra-red heaters just for drying?

I know with metallised films if you get the odd spec you might not see it until it dries out - thats annoying.
What sort of time do you allow to dry a window and how close to the glass?

ND

Thought I'd give you my views on the subject. I was Llumar trained, and has taken me a few years to do the Clio in one piece. I have only ever tried the powder method because this is how I was trained. I can now do the Clio using Llumar ATR and Sunguard Midnight range, can't manage it with their Shadow range 'cause its too thick. I have had a sample of Suntek sent to me by Vinyl Logistics which I am going to try tomorrow, its their HP range, looks thicker than I normally use, looking forward to giving it a go.
I see that VL have been slagged off on this forum, as a result they phoned me to put their side , I have found them very helpful and samples arrived first thing next day.
I now it's frustrating to find your supplier out of stock but in the real world, if you are importing from the States you are going to run into problems, security issues, fog? I have known Llumar and Bonwykes to be out of stock, it happens, live with it or get a life.
I have a problem with using anybody else who is not the distributor, warranty claims??
VL approached me and supplied samples, prices lists, swatches, posters etc.
I requested prices to an earlier thread, and heard nothing. I rest my case.

Hp suntek is like ATR

I hope so, find out tomorrow, I'll let you know

Sun-Gard makes this film but you can buy the clear film in 12 mil, more or less the same but not tinted as the tinted version is exclusive to Penatgon just now

let me clear this bull**** up once and for all its no about winning or losing i told you i didnt post the vid trying to get credability and i thought that comment might hit a nerve i dont like the pentagon franchise nothing personal to you i have one right near me and i know so much about them cos i always have the boys who work for them coming down to my shop asking for jobs this is how i know so much. they have a dedicated sales guy who is constanly sniffing round all my main dealer accounts trying to poach them and the one near me do charge premiunm prices and get them cos they carry big company branding but i have seen their work and it doesnt justify the money esspecially when they dont touch or do anything about the white lines round the dot matrix. they may turn around lots of cars but at the expensce of the quality of the work!! not saying this is the same as your franchise but this is my opinion as u would say!!! and the answers to your questions vl did have sole rights but dont buy that much as suntek is not that well known in the uk yet!!! if you spend the right money any suntek franchise will sell to you so any warranty claims are valid and can go through me.. think if you read back over your replys it wasnt helpful advice it was patronising!! i am a professional tinta and i know if i put the same two car next to eachother one done by my local pentagon i know which would look better!!! i mdont just try to sell film if u look at my posts in other topics i do offer my advice and opinions so dont brand me with the same iron. im selling a product i use and will help un experienced tintas as it shrinks so well and if you read the comments no one has a bad word to say about suntek appart from their current supplier!!

Stick to the soap method myself, aint ever going back to wet shrinking......

For shrinking also - especially on very curved screens. Give it a try with the powder method and a long three bar heater, its even quick and works for me. Seen a video of it from Oz few years back.

WTF how can you say my advice was not helpful . My very first post I quoted Tintgod who said nice job etc which I agreed with. Did you not see the big Bingo sign! But like him when I watched the video I saw what I thought was a crease put in the film just to the top the right of middle as you worked on it. You just can't take constructive criticism.

Just so you know IMHO means "in my humble opinion" HTF is that patronising. And anyway its not just about us its about other tinters trying to be professional reading these threads. I don't know it all and I know for sure you don't.

I've seen other videos where they have shown the screen fitted afterward - for me that would be helpful it shows a perfect shrink - no creases and just good job. The reason you feel my advice was patronising is because you think you know it all already "I stick to wot i know". Credibility is the name of the game - otherwise who is gonna buy film off someone selling out of a lock up garage (not u its an example).

Whether you believe it or not I have seen film failures and wet shrink zig zag lines are very visible ask any long term tinter. But you say no, impossible does not happen with suntek - when what you mean is you have not seen it yet.

Thereafter your posts slag Pentagon who have been in the industry for fifteen years and without them you would probably have not found it as easy to start up. Car dealers did not want tint on their cars back then, Pentagon started the ball rolling on a larger scale in UK.

Speak to any of the big names HR Owen, Stratstones, Landrover, Audi etc they would not be using Pentagon for tint on new cars if the work was sub standard. New cars are thouroughly checked by car dealers before handover - do you think someone buying a £150,000 Ferrari is not going to check every detail on that car? Including the tint job?
But no your work is better then Pentagons . My Guess is for you any tinter who is on your ground is probably the enemy - competition is good it opens up the market. I have competition some of it good, some bad I don't slag off the good guys I just talk about what we can offer the customer - because I have respect for someone who does consistently clean work.

Why would you slate Vinyl Logistics so much - they have sent me some samples in the past and seem like a good company. Currently I don't use them but I think I'll start stocking some just in case a customer requests it? I wonder if I was to e-mail Suntek in the US about this what they would say with regard to your claims about warranty. If they don't give a about the contract they made with Vinyl Logistics then I would worry about the kind of warranty they give on their film.

In all your attempts to sell film you do realise you've probably pissed of your biggest potential customer with your views on the Pentagon network

Just my opinion - dude we must agree to disagree

Sorry ND didn't read your post properly - little distracted.

Don't really use IR heaters on rear screens to dry them out - tend to try and keep cars overnight to give rear screens time to dry so we can detail the dots. Once explained to customers some want them same day even with the dot issues.

We did look at the big IR lamps used by paint shops but they were cumbersome and expensive - think we will look into it though.

Shrink King, word of advice mate i would watch how you are wording stuff and the mentioning of p,gon as these guys dont mess about with taking people to court over stuff so be really carefull. As i know