question about sungard

What type of adhesive do they use on there sig 60 film. i have a customer who bought a roll from somewhere, I didn't ask. They tried to do the install there self and couldn't handle it, so they called me.I told them I would do it but with no warranty. So, I leave and bring a piece of there film with me. I started playing around with it and when you remove the liner and wet it it gets really foggy. I was thinking maybe it was something other than ps adhesive, thats all I have ever used. Or just bad film. Any help is appreciated.

Ive only seen that kind of problem if the glue has been wet for too long. Did it take a bit to sqeegee the water out? If that is the cause it will go away as it dries. Thats really a shot in the dark though as you have no pics.

detach pressure sensitive is what that has and they has some real nasty the last couple years. It is thick and can be a real pain if you reverse roll it.

The only thing that will make it any better is to really flood the coating off with your sprayers. Put down some drop clothes and some towels. Take 2 sprayers if you have them and really wash it off. You of course need someone to hold the film up while you do this......

If you have any other questions about Sungard flat films I will happy to help if I can....I used them for 7 years before I learned just how great dry adhesives are.....

If you peel the liner and wet it, then rub it with you finger the haze will go away. If you dont whip it and just hang it and then squeegee, the water that comes from behind it is milky looking. I installed some sig 35 or 30 whatever its is and it wasn't like that. I will try to take a picture of it. So I guess I should up my price, it seems to be a real pain to mess with.

like I said they had some nasty Detach coatings for awhile a couple years ago and that is what you are describing! IF you flood it off it will not be a problem or at the least much less......

just have a bit more of a water mess to deal with than you should have to.....

charge more as you really need a helper to install it.....

i have a window that is 67x67, that ones gonna such. the rest are pretty small, nothing over 14x14. So just blast it with water and let the cloudy stuff run of. Or should I spray it down and let it sit for a while. I might end up backing out on this one. Why would anyone wanna make or deal with anything like this

ive noticed even with the automotive film... the shadow series atleast will be cloudy as if i applied it with alcohol its pretty scary but clears up in minutes

Chris, you just have to flush it off.....it will lay down if you don't, but if it is like I am thinking then it will look all nasty if you get any sort of harder pressure in lines.....

the film will lay down and look fine, even without sun exposure, but it is hard to tell a customer this if you are selling it.....

lucky for you this is one where the customer thought they could DIY, so you have an edge.....

you might be better off to sell them a film you are comfortable with and can do with a bit less headache. You would also be able to give a good warranty instead of what you have offered.....

the film is just fine, but the DPS is a pain in the state you have found it.

Yep, I have used a fair amount of Sungard security and I saw this with every piece of security film that I laid.

I've seen it too with the signature line, mostly on rolls i had in stock for awhile. Looks fine until you pull the liner and spray the adhesive then it instantly fogged up. It should dry out fine, may take a day or two but it is rediculous to have it fog up as bad as it does.

detack ps....kinda like 3M. i don't care much for this adhesive system for all of the above reasons. sun-gard sig. doesn't like to be snapped (backrolled) either...soooo, since i'm a snapper, i like straight dry adhesive flatglass films. (as in vista/llumar)

don't worry about the powder...it clears up straight away. later

I really like the Vista

yeppers...the view is kinda nice. he-he

I have noticed the same w/ Shadow..... Looks clear, fogs up, then goes away...

I had a job with this film a couple weeks ago... and had the same thing happen. First time using the film, so I had no idea what the heck was going on. I tried twice and same thing... so I knew it wasn't anything I was doing. I told the customer it would clear up as it dries. They haven't called back so I assume it dried alright.


-R

its all good it dries up clear ....if you did not get a call yet give them a call asking them how they like there new tint and if they where happy with the service you provided them

I have used the film for years and love it. The 'fogging' you are talking about is just the emulsion coating, as they call it. It is a coating on the film to help release the liner. I just spray it good, set it on the glass, and let it sit for a few seconds before squeegeeing, and it is all good. I have found that I don't have to fiveway with a paper towel at the end. I just usa a blue max once, cut, and blue max again. Then wipe it off and I am done. Every job dries out perfect and I save a step

Yep......Dries out great,,,,just spray the hell out if it.

You might not have to worry about some day.