Warning For Illegal Windows

On tonight's local news the Louisiana State Police had Trouper Sal Messina warning people that they are going to be cracking down on illegal tint. They interviewed a local shop owner who showed what is legal in Louisiana on a piece of flat glass and the reporter made note of the cost of fines. Shops caught for first offence could face fines of $1000 first offence, $2000 second offence and loss of licence third offence. Motorist caught can expect fines from $130 to $150. The reported also noted that the police are exempt from the law and on the KPLCTV.COM website they have links to the LSP window tinting exemption forms for medical or security. I bet in this town 40% of tinted vehicles are illegal, and I am seeing more windshields tinted.

Yes how nice would it be to stock on vlt of film

I'm glad to hear it

We need that around here

I been telling ya'll.......................It can be WAY more expensive for the shop owner than the custy. Here it can be up to a $5000 fine, loss of business license, and 11 mo 29 days in jail. FOR THE SHOP OWNER who gets caught installing illegal film. Custys don't get to see THAT part.

yEAH BUT CANT THEY JUST USE A WAIVER

Have the customer sign one and have the owner sign one from the customer and..


WALLLLLAH!!!! Everybody is resolved from any illegal wrong doing its like magic

wish it was so simple. i have read that the waivers aren't foolproof. i read in one of my magaazines that a bus. had a waiver but didn't hold up in court worth a sh*t. I think the cust got in an accident or something. it's bound to happen to us; big brother is everywhere, why not tint also?

Amazing ..I would like to see that here.


Cost to customer for illegal tint : $110 no matter how many times you get pulled over.

Cost to tint shop owner responsible for illegal tint : NOTHING...ever.


Lost a lot of work because of that..custy just goes down the road to a tinter that'll be more than happy to put on 5% all around so he can run over my kids at nighttime


It's not JUST about the money

He was joking dude about all the waiver bullchiatt that s been going on. If someone is stupid enough to beleive a waiver will solve all there illegal tinting woes there crazy

waiver = admission of doing something illegal

well...glad im not the shop owner then.

Fine... Have them sign an admission of doing something illegal

fine for shop owners in mississippi is 3000 dollars or 3 months in jail or both and me bein 20 years old they'd probably give me both and then some! i always tell customer is not worth your little money to risk 3000 dollars and once you do illegal for one person soon everyone knows you do illegal and then bam the wrong person knows you do illegal then tint wizards kids get run over and matt goes to jail for accomplice to murder or somethin

you know why is it such an issue as long as you roll all your windows down before they get to the car if you get pulled over. If I can see out of the vehical at night then it shouldnt be a problem. my privacy is just the same in my car as it is in my house. All this is and always has been is another way for the police to find a way to give you a ticket. in fact in florida you can not be pulled over for not waring your seat belt, though if you dont have it on when getting pulled for somthing else then its a ticket. But, you can get pulled over for having illegal tint. we live in a country that it is legal to drive with bald tires and falty equipment to some degree which is way more dangerous IMO. I got a feeling that the most of you guys in here saying its a good thing that there are laws is because your afraid to tint darker than legal. Thus some one is taking more work from you. Its not plain and simple you get caught. In florida thaey have to get 23 written complaints all with proof you tinted it not just what the custy says. then they have to fine you. if your dumb enough to tint somthing illegal give a reciept or run it on a machine, tint with the door open to the public and ect then thats your deal. I owned a shop in florida and 98% of my jobs were 20% and darker. Even dealerships are tinting darker than legal. The shops I set up in california tint the front doors and thats illegal. So all this boo hooin bout illegal tint just dont hold water with me. I bet theres shop owners in here that claim they would never go over state laws and tint but are scheming the hell out of there federal taxes.

for once..i can kind of relate to you. not entirely...but i know what u saying.

well I deff appriciate the mention.

No it isn't, your house is on your property. 5% film on your house restricts your visibility out the windows, but not at the potential expense of the safety of the public.
The car is your property, agreed. The difference is that the car is operated on public roads where the safety of the public is regualted by various laws, tint laws being one of them.
Instead of using time to try and find ways to beat the law, better use of the time might be to work on gettig the law changed.

OK, granted that the tecnicality is that others safety is at risk....
I cant recall one time anyone has told me they got into a reck cause they couldnt see. I have not ever read that the wreck was caused y the illegal tint.

Now

I have had people come say i cant see out of it and get it lighter, and I believe mst people would be smart enuff not to get somin that they couldnt see out of. Yes I have seen people back into sht they didnt see, including myself.

Soooo

Do I need big brother deciding everything for me you my mom her dentist and the preacher......No.....I believe te less government control and local laws the better.

We dont seem to have an issue selling alcohol to people that show up to a bar in there car...Its just called being careful and responsible. we cant control everything.

And personally I like pickiing my nose and singing to myself in my truck

AND DONT ANY OF YOU ACT LIKE YOU DONT PRACTICE YOUR BACK STREET BOY MOVES BEHIND YOUR TINT.......hahaha

i have to say i agree completely with what you are saying. i tried to say the samething in a different post but i got a bunch of crap about it. to the point i was called a jachazz and an idiot. go check it out. consumer questions and "how dark is 5% suppose to be". the way i see it as long as I pay MY truck note and MY insurance and i can see out ok then it is really no one elses business. i don't know about where yall are but in texas we have drive through beer stores, you mean to tell me that they are stupid enough to believe that they're not people that drive through and don't pop the top on one while they are driving home. i don't see them fining beer stores and trying to send them to jail for murder when an idiot is drunk and driving and hit someone.

Start reading the papers dude. There busting bartenders all over the place up here in the DFW Texas for serving annebriated and drunk drivers that get busted.
You guys just dont get it

what??? bust a bartender for serving alcohol!!! thats his/her main responsibility on the job. the alcohol sells itself, the bartender just serves it. i know hat they shouldnt serve crazy drunks at some point...but this is just crazy.. its just like when a cop goes to jail for shooting a perp... off subject i know..sorry..just amazed at the bartender thing. no one can do thier job anymore. if u dont do your job, your fired...if u do your job, your arrested.

I agree Snappy, but just making a point. Theres a intoxicated manslaughter trial going on right now in our county where the district attorney is trying to get the grand jury to indict the bartender to. The mans family is also suing the bar and the bartender. May not win, but its still his neck on the line.

i can understand not serving a person who is obviously drunk and stumbling but you know there are people that drink 3 or 4 and have no visual affects and how can the bartender tell those people no? these same people have wrecks and kill people. this country has gotten to the point were everyone wants to blame someone else for their mistakes. everyone is suing someone for some stupid reason. imo i think that it is the lawyers that have caused this problem. i think it should illegal for them to advertise on tv about how they got some random person 2 million dollars cause they were in a fender bender. like i said this imo. sorry i got off the subject.

well this all just proves it all...if somewhere a bartender can suffer for bartending, a tinter can suffer for tinting.

1) Yep. I agree that it is just an opportunity for probable cause where no other probable cause exists.

2) Nope, I don't know about being a GOOD thing there are laws, but for the most part we ( at least I do ) follow them because it's the prudent thing to do. It's ILLEGAL!!! Is that why you (hopefully) won't rob a bank? 'Cuz you're scared? Not that it's illegal? Without a doubt one of the most asinine statements this year

3) Again, . I'd love to know where, and how, some of you guys come up with this sh!t. Read this: http://home.pcisys.net/~bpc/auto_law/tint/tint_fl.html, I don't read anything under the 23 complaint rule, or even see a 23 complaint rule. Maybe I'm missing something here? It DOES say that its a second degree misdemeanor to get caught installing illegal film, tho, and in Fla a 2nd deg misdemeanor can carry up to 6 months in jail, and fines. And of couse, any business engaging in illegal activity can lose thier business license.

Dude, your attitude is one of the reasons this industry is looked upon as a "fringe" industry. There IS no professionalism for the most part. Ever wonder WHY you can be highly recommeded by someone, and the custy will STILL walk thru your door with the mind set that you're gonna screw them? Could it possibly have ANYTHING to do with the fact that you are willing to break the law to make a buck? Conciously or subconciously, that fact affects more than some people. MOST people still value honesty and integrity.




NOPE!! The courts are widely divided on how far your right to privacy extends from your home to your vehicle. You do not have the same expectation of privacy in your car as you do your home, but you certainly DO NOT have a duty to "lay bare the contents" of your car for police scrutiny without a warrant. And as to the second point, Harold is right. All your civil rights to do ANYTHING stop at the point where they infringe upon the publics rights. In this case, the right to be safe on the roads. You certainly should have the right to have 5% on your car, But you do not have the right to put my family in potential danger by doing so. My family has the right to be safe on public roads, so if you want 5%, you should be able to have it. You just cannot operate your car in a manner that would be unsafe for others, so I guess you can enjoy that 5% from your driveway.

A "show car" waiver (or any waiver) is FAR from blanket protection. They CAN, if drawn up properly, protect you from criminal liability, but they are definately all but worthless in civil court. And it's civil court that scares the bejeezus outta me. Our Tort laws are so effed up that one can sue anyone for just about anything. Just ask McDonalds. Criminal penalties are black and white. Do this, you get this. Civil cases can RUIN you financially for life. And it HAS happened to someone I know first hand.
First of all, nothing signed under duress is legally binding. And it has been held up by the courts that requiring that a person sign a waiver prior to getting something they desire is a form of duress. They want a certain thing, and the only way to get that certain thing is to sign a waiver, that waiver was signed under duress. Wrong? Maybe, but thats the way it is until our rediculous laws are changed.

I believe if memory serves me correct, that the tint laws in Texas only apply to cars 1989 and newer ?
Would that mean there are no limits on darkness for 1988 and older ?
I am not finding where the wording for the Texas law is located.

Illegal is illegal no matter how you look at it, or no matter how you try and twist the wording of the laws

quote from Key West
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Dude, your attitude is one of the reasons this industry is looked upon as a "fringe" industry. There IS no professionalism for the most part. Ever wonder WHY you can be highly recommeded by someone, and the custy will STILL walk thru your door with the mind set that you're gonna screw them? Could it possibly have ANYTHING to do with the fact that you are willing to break the law to make a buck? Conciously or subconciously, that fact affects more than some people. MOST people still value honesty and integrity. "


You know bro, you dont even live in florida anymore.

2cnd, You dont know me or my attitude.

3rd I can tell you that I do not disgrace this biz any any shape or form. I ve worked as a grunt tinter, Ive worked my way to manager of a tint shop, Ive owned my own tint shop, I work for a National tint company. If I was that bad of an ambassador of this trade would I have been able to get where Iam at today @ 27 years old???

And know I wouldnt go rob a bank. I use some common Brain Power to moral know whats right and wrong. Yea its illegal to rob a bank but its STEALING and i think that one is written on some stone some where with 9 other ones that say we shouldnt do other stuff. It also says its illegal to smoke week but that %&$# grows wild on its own, and Ill be damn but if it catches on fire itll make your feel different. How many of you wouldnt rob a bank but with roll a spliff after work and chill out???

You highlighted a part of my statement on why your mad about custom shops tinting over legal limit. Put it all in there if your gonna post and slam me. I believe I said it might be because your losing biz over it. and it is, dont even act like its not. Iam not saying your a scardy cat or triple dog daring you, its just what you choose to do. just some people got to do what they got to do to eat, and its better than hustling. yea and sometimes its not the best way but once again I dont need big brother controlling anymore of my life, as long as Iam not robbing, cheating or stealing from another person and I make the right decisions to tint over the limit when I feel its ok,because I would be responsible for it then its my own BIZ. Let me go to jail for 6 months, thats just more legal tint for you to do, or my competitor that will tint over and your still not getting any more biz.

Back to the above of me bringing down the trade. I can pass a dr*g test on a daily basis and I dont get hammered while I work. Once again I dont care who you are if your a tinter whether you are or have or just seen it you know that is what brings down the trade. Doing $80.00 tint jobs and cutting each others throat , standing in a parking lot throwing your fellow tinter under a buss to a customer so you can snake a job, using cheap film and sticking it in a premium brand box.....dude I can go on and on. that diminishes the integrity of the trade.Period.

And as for how I know the law, I got the book and what you got there is the online LAW STAT. for florida. They locally started to crack down on tint when I had my shop a year ago. The local PD came to all the shops and told us. I asked him questions he couldnt answer and one of them was how are you gonna know i did it. He said point blank,"they will tell me", my reply to him was with what proof??my worst enemy could tell you i did it and I have never touched the vehicle, He replied as long as they have a receipt. " I said ok, gods honest truth, cause your girlfriend is a cop and I tinter her mustang, it was in 5%, and she even said dont give receipts to custy's with darker than legal.(he was a new cop in town and she grew up with me), His response and I SWEAR on this was, "There has to be a collected number of SWORN complaints with proof of purchase for us to come see you about it. He did state it was in the 20's and he then handed me the florida traffic law book from his car that was the 2006 version for me to keep.

Now, you can bash anything I say, thats your right and I know your an older cat bro and your all set in your ways, and you probably dont even jay walk cause your so LAW abiding. But lets face it this is life, life in the US, were at war over oil and truly really having some dark tint on your ride isnt hurting a damn sole. People get in wrecks everyday, if its tint related I bet its so small it doesn't even account for anything.

Your looking for a rip on me cause I voice my opinion on %&$#, I believe in what I do, I believe in who I work for, and by all means voice yours like you did on me, BUT DONT EVER say I disrespect or lower the integrity of trade. You can take that %&$# back where you got it man, because you dont know me and deffinatly have not done biz with me.

Iam not even gone post in the thread again so have your fun with it. rip it apart, fart on it post funny emoticons, make comments like I dont know who iam fuggin with and all that worthless posting to get youR count up. I have been away from the board for a few days cause the trade I am degrading
Has me traveling the southewest 2000 miles from Fl. to do biz and spread the importance of our trade.

what company is it again that you work for steroid boy? i wanna make sure i never use their film. i'll just go look it up.....no need to respond.

ooohhh...i've got it now.

Keep a brutha in da loop ...

its real bad in new orleans and kenner but mostly bc the cities profit from these tickets.

this stuff is so funny! some people can get on here and say whatever they want about who ever they want and then as soon as that person has something to say back yall want to get mad and pissed of at them. it is a respect thing. just because you have been in the business for awhile doesn't mean you deserve respect you have to earn it. and when you get on here and talk down to people and try to degrade them you aren't earning any respect. its all about how you approach someone on the issue. if you talk to them with out degrading them it may work out alittle better for you. take some lessons from lildetails. as for being professional, i think most of us when we go out in public we try to sell ourselfs and not put the other guys down but then yall can get on here and bash on each other. kinda two faced the way i see it. yall can get on here and say what you want but you know everyone of you is breaking the law in someway. don't tell me you don't ever speed or you never drive with out your seat belt. yall can get bow down to who ever you want to but i am going to keep doin what i do, and once again thanks for the custys.



secretagentswole rock the #$%@ on dude! i think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

They did away with that when they redid the laws i 2003. now all vehicles apply no matter the year model.
search for Texas State bill 345 to find more info.

Nobody I know is pissed, or mad or anything. And you stated what I was gonna tell you perfectly. But you seem to forget that it's a double edged sword. I don't need or solicit your respect. When you come on any board, you gotta earn the respect of those who were there before you, NOT the other way around. I don't believe that I degraded you, or disparaged you in any way. You seem to be under the impression that you automatically are entitled to our respect. Generally speaking, newbies (to the board, not necessarily to the game)get it until such time as they come out with statements that are plainly not in keeping with the general consus of the board on which they are posting. You KNOW (or should know by now) that illegal tinting is frowned upon by the majority of the membership of this board. Whether or not someone does install illegally, you don't go bragging about doing it on a public forum of supposedly professional tinters. Kinda like the militarys "Dont ask, dont tell" policy. The public does read this board, and the image that they have of us as tinters is reinforced by what they read here. Muffler shops cut catalytic converters all the time, but you don't see Midas advertising the fact that they will do it. When you tell someone you don't know that you are willing to break the law for them and thier money, no matter how rediculous or unenforced that law is, either conciously or subconciously that custy sees you as shady.
I don't know WHERE you get the idea that you are important enough for me to spend the energy to get mad, or pissed off at you. I don't even know you, and personally don't care if I ever do. You are quite possibly a great guy, and I have yet to meet ANYONE I cannot learn something from, but if we never do meet, ................................................SO WHAT?

"as the world turns......and so are the days of our lives"

Nobody I know is pissed, or mad or anything. And you stated what I was gonna tell you perfectly. But you seem to forget that it's a double edged sword. I don't need or solicit your respect. When you come on any board, you gotta earn the respect of those who were there before you, NOT the other way around. I don't believe that I degraded you, or disparaged you in any way. You seem to be under the impression that you automatically are entitled to our respect. Generally speaking, newbies (to the board, not necessarily to the game)get it until such time as they come out with statements that are plainly not in keeping with the general consus of the board on which they are posting. You KNOW (or should know by now) that illegal tinting is frowned upon by the majority of the membership of this board. Whether or not someone does install illegally, you don't go bragging about doing it on a public forum of supposedly professional tinters. Kinda like the militarys "Dont ask, dont tell" policy. The public does read this board, and the image that they have of us as tinters is reinforced by what they read here. Muffler shops cut catalytic converters all the time, but you don't see Midas advertising the fact that they will do it. When you tell someone you don't know that you are willing to break the law for them and thier money, no matter how rediculous or unenforced that law is, either conciously or subconciously that custy sees you as shady.
I don't know WHERE you get the idea that you are important enough for me to spend the energy to get mad, or pissed off at you. I don't even know you, and personally don't care if I ever do. You are quite possibly a great guy, and I have yet to meet ANYONE I cannot learn something from, but if we never do meet, ................................................SO WHAT?

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What you don't seem to understand is i don't care how long you have been in the business or if you came to the site before me or not. I still can't respect someone that approaches people on subjects that they don't agree with the way you do. and it goes both ways, but i didn't try to over power you with my opinion. i understand about the public looking at this site, but all i said is that everyone of us break laws. and the only reason i said that is because you try to say that you don't or try to act like you abid by ever law there is. like i said i understand NOW why people don't get on here and talk about tinting illegal it is a public site. and in that post i don't think i said anything about it. as for meeting you i feel the same way about it as you, i am sure i could learn something from you but probably wouldn't enjoy it because you seem like the type that would push it upon someone in stead of letting them put their own twist on it. Your way or the highway right?

and i can't respect someone who blantantly breaks the laws to make a quick buck, or because if they don't do it someone else down the street will.

Amen Blade

Roidrage and Monica need to get a room

Monica would be upset. roids give you major shrinkage

and I agree completely with you about the limo papa slingin' hakks
degrading this industry even further .....shamefull







hence the attitude

i'm going with the whole it's not !llegal when i tinted it on private property - dont get me wrong i highly discourage it but, custy is made aware and strongly warned

- i dont stock 5% much - too dark - also would it be !llegal for a tint shop to tint windows (from whatever) out of the vehicle? sum tin 2 chew on

I just love this forum--you folks are sharp on all of this...It's nice we can express our opinions and share or experiences.

Be Safe