soon to come!! Ballistics test on Madico 8 mil

In recent years, a certain company ran a small arms ballistics test on their S & S film which you can find in this link..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0UYxv3At2Ss

in other findings i believe the film that was used here was a 10 mil, not too sure if it was attached or not, also keeping into consideration the glass thickness, which is unknown at this point. To put this into real life situations, I have taken a rear door glass of an auto, tempered 3/16, and applied 2 layers of madico 8 mil. We have plans to let it dry for the week and will attempt to compromise it with a few different calliber weapons. Starting from a 22 ranging to an AK. The weapons belong to a friend who wants target practice, so I thought why not??

This is a free standing, no frame, no attachment, piece of glass. Will it penetrate the glass and film? What in your opinion may be the downfall of this test. I am aware that this is a "unconventional" way to determine strength seeing that it is two layer application, not one 16 mil layer of film.

I am going to video it, so I will definately show the results.

all bullets pass straight through including the .22LR on the 2nd shot.

The AK is going through for sure... 1st shot will probably knock over the display.

It's tempered. First shot will shatter it and it will lay there limp and lifeless in the sun like someone that drank too much on the beach.

HA, been there done that. Has there been any tests done to assure that a bullet will not pass? or simply, do you know what mil film will prevent this bullet from passing through? I am currently applying different mil films on various glass to determine what the actual strength may be.

I think Leo posted some ballistics tests in the regulations and testing section a while back.



http://www.tintdude.com/forum/index.php?showforum=118

yes, i did read that post, but it didnt explain too much of the results of the bullet testing. He claimed that it stopped a glock, but they make more than one caliber weapon if my memory is correct.

There were 2 films on each glass.
8 mil - 6 mm regular (not tempered) glass - 21 mil film
8 mil - 6 mm regular (not tempered) glass - 16 mil film
It was anchired with piece of metall - I will try to find pictured, deepnes of anching around one inch.

is what his posting stated...

Cool, I just didn't know if you had seen it and thought you might be interested.

If memory serves me correctly, the tests that supposedly passed were 14 mil on one side and 8-10 milon the opposite side and the glass was pretty thick(1/2" maybe). no matter, every manufacturer rep I spoke to on thos that said that their film would hold up, I offered to test it as long as they stood on the other side of the glass as the shot was fired. None would volunteer to prove their claims!!!!!

My prediction is epic failure, but do it anyways!!!

It "might" stop the first .22LR.

It's Madico, Need I say more

It'll fail, now if you wanna blow up ALOT of C-4 about 1/4 mile away from a window with some Maddy on it, it'll hold up, I've seen the testing video

haha, ok.... first naysayer!! HAHA!!! Thanks for your input though!!! Im interested in seeing the outcome.. I may throw 2 layers of ten( 2 in, 2 out) totalling 40 mil on the next specimen..

hey harold, If you had nothing to do and felt like wasting film, like me! what film would be your first choice just for strength sakes... keeping the same mils in mind..

Madico then Madico, then Madico that would be my top 3 choices

all bullets go through and like dark dan says first shot will cause the glass to shatter then the other shots are pointless

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3 divisions of time :past, present, future
3 grammatical personages : me, myself, I
sum total of human ability : thought, word, deed
3 kingdoms of matter : plant, animal, mineral
and , "I'll give you 3 good reasons why ________ "

way to go (3 words) madico . "ask Harold, he knows"

I'll second the pass through (or is that 3'd ) ,even if they loads arent mags , most of the ballistics tests are on 1/2 " glass ,some double coated some single
the results will be interesting .

Window film just can help SOMETIMES. We tested it for army HUMMERS - in case some crazy bullet fly slow.
But we never reccomend banks or whatever use it like REALLY bulletproof.
Bombproof - YES! But bullet - not exact.

Kepp us posted on this please.

If applied correctly with the proper film, a bullet could be stopped. That is to say only the first!!! the second will probably penetrate once the glass has been compromised..... And as for any statement that film makes glass BOMBPROOF?? I never inform a customer this, because it is not true. Window films applied to the exterior of glass make it bomb RESISTANT. This means that the resist the force of a blast, but there will always be pressure and some flying glass into the area, only it will have a lower energy within it, allowing it to not injure as badly. If you look at all testing(video), even with an attachment system, the window shatters, flexing inward, allowing some material to enter, since you cannot attach the film on all four sides. This is the same issue that is happening in the southern states. Many installers are advertising Hurricane Proof Films. Nothing is further from the truth. Hurricane resistant is true. The first hit will resist intrusion, but subsequent hits will enter over time. This is why the state of Florida is going after many companies to push them to advertise properly. I see many installers in my area advertising Hurricane proof, bullet proof, and so on.... I just can't wait for them to get sued the first time something happens. As one of my suppliers is fond of saying "these guys are whats wrong with our industry". False advertising, which will lead to more government restrictions, bad press, or lawsuits.

It goes on the outside?

I am sorry - I can be wrong on phrases. But I want to declare what I want to declare and that is
In some case GLASS with istalled window film CAN stop SOME KIND OF BULLETS SHOTED FROM SOME KINDS OF WEAPINS - and nothing more. But so called BULETPROOF GLASS can make some job STOP SOME BULLETS IN SOME CASES. There are no material which can help You whenever and from whatever.
Same with hurricane proof.
May be in case BOMBS i make a mistake PROOF - RESISTANt. In russian it sound as same. In latvian - very hard to find word analog - that's why.
But anycase as riots now are attacking - we, with XX Century Wars Veterans Against Terror working now on SPECIAL REGULATIONS which WILL TRY TO TETS how will work glass in case REAL ATTACK - not falling ball or other.
Of course standarts are standarts - but people ask us how it will work, now what papers do You have. When we showed bulk of papers in our government bank reply was "You can use Your papers how do You want. We need protection warranty - not paper report.
Here is these tests video. Real attack analog.

In reports which will make XX WVAT will be not only paper. Every test report will come with video material. What test - for example EN 356 we have now?
Small window 50 x 50 cm and ball drop? What can show this test?


How often do You install film on 50 x 50 cm windows? I can reply - not often. And regular safety installation is minimum 1 x 0,5 - and that MINIMUM. In that case glass with a film work different.
And so on. We never cheat customer. And double never cheat them in case of SAFETY AND SECURITY. As VLT % is only VLT %, but riots are riots, and we are responsible for our products. That's why< for example, I am strongly reccomend outisde and inside installation for better work. That's why some people in economy reason ask me to install 4 mil instead 12 mil - i tell NO.
That's why I tell here and everywhere 7 mil 1 ply - is installer and customer cheating, as people think it's analog 8 mil 2 ply but cheaper.
In reality it is thcik 4 mil, and work like 4 mil - but easier to install than 8, 10, 12 or 16-21 mil.
That's why we really manufacture 21 mil film - we don't declare and bla-bla-bla. We make. because safety is safety.
P.S. Really sorry for misunderstanding - PROOF and RESISTANT for me sound similar





MUST out and in.
But
1. Installers don't like work outside.
2. Customers don't like to pay

It's all about absorbing and re-distributing energy. Bullets, bombs, even people that talk too loud are distributing energy. IF the energy is distributed evenly across a surface that can absorb it, then most likely you would be able to call it "proof" (ie. bullet proof, bomb proof, running-mouth proof... etc.) The problem is that not all munitions are equal, nor is the firearm that they are shot from. Bombs distribute energy differently based on all kinds of factors. Hurricanes are different strengths, they have micro-climates, and they cycle the energy. We cannot control nor can we guarantee that every bullet fired, bomb exploaded, or Hurricane Event is going to fall within the parameters where a film is able to absorb all of the energy needed to name and market it is "Proof."

"Resistant" is misleading too. Film may resist a 12 gauge shotgun because of the way that the energy is dispersed but does anyone have the confidence in the "Resistance" of a film so as to stand behind that window when an armor piercing round is fired through it? The energy of that round is a lot more focused and it will take a lot more than a piece of film to even have a prayer of being "Resistant" to that round penetrating.

I have asked the question of a few manufacturing reps. If you think it is bullet PROOF, stand behind it and I will get my pistol....No takers as of yet!!!!

No worry. Not a misunderstanding. Just wanted to be sure to state the facts. Some newer installers on here might take that info and figure there is a bulletproof film on the market....

Peole who declare that window film are bulletPROOF or RESISTAMT or whatever - NEVER DEAL with that. I am afraid to tell that it is burglar proof (resistant) in case less of 10 mil (but main installation in EU is 4 or 7, and I think same in USA) - but people produ;y sell 7 mil (1 ply) like superresistant film....

Let's declare.
THERE IS NO BULLET(PROOF)RESITANT FILMS APRIORY.
COMBINATION GLASS AND FILM SOMETIMES (ONLY!!!!) CAN HELP
COMBINATION GLASS AND FILM CAN BE BURGLAR(RESISTANT)PROOF ONLY IN CASE SEVERAL KICKS, BUT ANYCASE MANY KICK MORE THAN ONE MINUTE AND USING TOLLS LIKE HUMMER, AXE AND SO ON - PEOPLE CAN COME THROUGH.
AND THE LAST.
BEST SAFETY (OR SECURITY???)FILMS COMBINATION WHEN 4 MIL IS OUTSIDE, MINIMUM 8 MIL (2 ply) INSIDE.
In that case film from outside don't gice splinters drop, and film from backside stop and prevent attacks.
Never use 4 or 7 mil in case of crime dangerous areas with any promises - better don't tell anything.

If you're going to try this, Hanita has the best in security, they have passed testing most of our US made films cannot pass....

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You said a mouthfull...........AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.....DON'T MAKE ANY CLAIMS, BECAUSE THE PRODUCT WILL PROBABLY MAKE A LIAR OUT OF THE PERSON CLAIMING IT WILL>>>>>>>>>>

the results will be post poned for a bit... the marksman had to go out of town.. to be continued

Let's wait....