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Feb 1st we will have the Sirius ll line available. VLT's will include 5%, 15%, 20%, 35%, & 43%.

As always, 1.5 mil Premium Poly, Media Friendly, Plotter Friendly, Price Friendly.

Easier Shrink than Sirius l, which was pretty darn easy.

Awesome Color Stable Black.

Email jreynolds@valuetint.com
Or, call 918-622-9142
Or, PM me for details.

PS. Working from home, recovering from an altercation with a 4 year old Mustang Gelding, wild horse training tips will be appreciated!!!

Congrads on the new film line! I hope the hand heals correctly and fast. When you were telling me about your injury I thought, “this is why I’m scared of horses!!”
Stan

Ditto here. Looking forward to the new line.

Will there be a 50% also?

What does your State Law allow?

sounds good good luck with the new line guys

Thanks Big Joe, Have you seen this issue of Window Film Magazine? Page 24.

do you have any specs. you would like to share with us?

no i need to reorder i subscription ended post it up here

50% here in MN for cars and front sides of trucks/SUV's.

I do have 50% available.

any specs at all would be nice....?

I have to assume you mean Performance Data.
In my world "Specs" are what is specified by an Architect or Engineer.

that would be a good assumption. performance specifications....or specs. so do you have any?

Yes, we do, however I believe most performance data is nothing but propaganda and B.S. specifically as it would relate to auto tint.

It's more applicable to F.G. and there are no standards in which everyone abides by or agrees upon. ASHRAE, AIMCAL, THE BACK OF BOB'S BARN.

What I can do, and have always done is send you samples and you be the judge.

I would be willing to bet my life you've never lost a game of dodgeball in your life have you
Why not just copy the spec sheet from the film your reboxing and post it out here

thats a good one...

If you want a sample to try for yourself, just ask!
I can assure you that My Customers are given as much information as they need.
I've seen tons of performance data that was greatly flawed. Whatever the numbers are it's only valid if everyone else is using the same standards.

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i think that last one was Dip....so you've got a couple to go.

At least you're transparent enough that I know who you are and you're not hiding behind some user name.

I respect the fact that you are indeed someone who understands the data and is always willing to lend advice to a fellow tinter in order to keep him out of the ditch.

I mean no disrespect to you by not quickly throwing up numbers.

I am only trying to avoid a barrage of nay sayers pontificating about their vast knowledge of film standards or making snide comments about how it looks like we duplicated someone else's data.

Every year we try to go to Sand Point Id., I would be glad to swing by to meet you in person. Until then, if you are interested in samples or data, please let me know.

that'd be sweet....or i could meet you at the lodge at schweitzer.

Nice choice of a verb. Haranguing comes to mind as well.

What the difference of getting them sent to us? A potential customer is a potential customer. Showing specs on this site is the same thing. Should I call and ask for a spec chart, I would certainly post them...and they will eventually get posted here. It would appear that you are not satisfied with the spec charts, and you claim performance data is all propaganda. So, are you telling us yours is the same?

Im glad some of you guys are seeing this crap too. These fly by night companies only here to plug there product and dodge the tough questions is pititful. Valuetint your almost as embarassing as Aegis claiming to have a factory and there smoke and mirrors routine around here.

There's a big difference in someone who sincerely is wanting information and someone is just wanting to start "crap" as you say.

Do you actually think that they're going to be vastly different then anyone else's?

Like a lot of you, I've been in this a few years and I am as jaded as you, so I understand.

When a MFG publishes performance data, I never believe that it is accurate, so the same will be said of mine,

I am always amazed how you can vary your conditions and make your results look more favorable.

At anytime you can get a sample a see with your own eyes.

If I had a film that I was proud of, I would be the biggest cheerleader for it. I would have the specs posted everywhere for all to admire. Too bad you dont believe in your product...makes me not interested at all.

I think I have to side with Valuetint here! I understand what he is saying and I don't think the ones that are stirring up crap on this thread can see it. Specs for film are only as good as the company that produces them.

The sad fact that in ANY survey or poll or research poll they can and will lead the results to what the company wants them to be. Coke or Pepsi? Burger King or McD's french fries? Ford, Chevy, Toyota?

Valuetint is saying that the numbers for a spec can and will be led the way that they want them to be. If you want some film at a pretty good price then check theirs out. I can't say good, bad, or ugly on their film although I did install a couple doors with some of their film while visiting Show Us Your Tints last year and it was as good or better than anything I had touched.....

why wouldn't you have your film independently tested to get the real results?

So are you using the product................................

We are proud of our products but our customers opinions are what matters the most.

Everyone that has tried it, likes it!

I've used the "old" Sirius line and I like it. Good color, nice shrink, aggressive adhesive and a great price.

If you want specs just call the phone number they put in the post. Why are people so scared to talk to them on the phone? It's easy to attack others through a keyboard.

This is a really good point you are raising Lil. In the 80's there were all of these misleading claims that products were xx% energy efficient and it turns out that a lot of those number were false at best. So the DOE backed an independent organization that would create and monitor testing standards. We know it as the NFRC. The main pieces of software that were developed by Lawrence Berkley Labs are what is used to determine fenestration performance specs for many years. It just so happens that the window film industry has used the same software to test and rate their products performance. The software will not lie, but after you gather the data you then have to rely on the integrity of the marketing department to transfer the numbers from computer to spec card accurately.

Here is where your point is made. How can we trust the number on product literature, websites etc. Simple answer is, you can't. I heard that there is one very popular 70%vlt nano film that claims 54-55% TSER and when it was tested they found it to be 41-42%TSER. I don't think that you could say someone simply rounded up or down on this one. So how do you catch this stuff?

You go back to the LBNL software and check it. Most MFG's submit their film specs and they are listed in a database by MFG and product type. MFG's cannot lie hear or they will get called out by their peers and probably get sued for falsifying data. Do you see everyone's film in this data base? No, but you could if they submit. The problem is that most won't because they would have to reveal the real MFG of their product. So whether it's Valuetint, Geoshield, Moonraker, Klingon, or anyone that has another MFG put their components together, that info would have to be listed... and many companies do not want that to be public knowledge.

So to sum up my harangue, yes there is a very accurate and reliable way to determine film specs. The engineering community and window film community have had access to it for years. It is up to the MFG or Dist whether or not they want to use the provision available to test their products and give the public accurate results.



Mark this is a crock and you know it. I'm not saying you have to post your specs but you know as well as I do that it is possible to post accurate numbers.

EVERYONE-- I call bullshit. There is no possible way any film company can claim 100% customer satisfaction
Guys I think were wasting our time here. Value tint has proved time and time again on here they wont answer the tough questions. Sad but true.

You may think it's a crock but you just validated my point. DOE, NFRC, BERKLEY LABS, isn't this over kill for auto tint, when some 20 year old kid just wants his car to look cool!

I can't wait to roll out the IR films and watch the fur fly.

Besides, I still have to say, if you want a sample to see for yourself, just ask!

P.S. As soon as I can return to work, I'll post data on Valuetint.com for all to see, fair enough?

What if its some 40 year old that cares? Would I tell him not to worry because all the specs are made up anyways?

What's the big deal on auto film Sure it's nice to block the heat on auto films but that's the bottom of the bucket with auto customers, they usually don't care what name brand film,warranty, uv filtration, tser, or any of that, their biggest concern is do i get 35% or 20%. I could see you guys picking valuetint apart on flat glass film performace being flatglass custy's are looking for the best performance but really why all the fuss on auto films I as an auto tinter am mainly concerned with shrinkability, clarity and color, and adhesive so valuetint offering to send out a free sample to let you be the judge of the film yourself is a more than fair gesture on his part...

I have NEVER had any automobile customer ask about specs other than UV blocking.

I said, in a round about way, that I am NOT using Valuetint. I have had hands on enough to do a couple door glasses while visiting a friend, but I do not use it for my own. I was simply stating that the bashing in this thread was just plain stupid.


On another note I do have customers that are worried about heat more than anything for their auto tinting. So accurate numbers would be nice to have for films.....

i get ppl all the time wanting to know what the heat rejection is..down south in florida is a big thing being that it is hot almost year around...i like to educate my clients on the film that i use and give them a reason why i am more expensive then the guy down the street. so i in turn like to educate myself on the film that i use...that is just smart business...i don't see it as bashing..asking a simple question on what the specs of a certain film is.

I guess some shops just dont give a sheit and will just slap up anything that looks and feels good..and is cheap...ist really sad to see that the industry is going that way.

Again....if you're interested in knowing about the film why not call the guy? How hard can that be?

Thats a good point, and very true. There are some who do care though, so specs for "that" customers is necessary. There are many manu's that make entry level film and some king daddy films...b/c some care about what it does. I use Madico's CH line. If a custy wanted something very light with great IR rejection, I can offer Wincos (Japanese division, Lintec, Madicos parent company).

Valuetint is just another niche in the market. I wouldn't think anyone would use it as their main line because valuetint says it all, you get film at a cheaper price thus im sure making some of the components in the film being of cheaper value. So you use your hp or ceramic films for custy's that are really oriented in heat rejection and use valuetint for the custy's that are always looking for a bargain. That is basically what it boils down to although i've never used valuetint so i can't really comment on the quality, but that's how i would gather it to be

I appreciate you sticking up for me, As a fact, when you cut out all the fluff for marketing and office overhead, you can offer a great quality film for a discounted price. We run the leanest operation possible. In Oklahoma we have Tint Shops that only use our film, mostly because they no me personally and they no I'm not going to lead them astray. PM me and list your shipping info and what VLT you want. I will get you a sample and some references from other Tint Shops. Thanks again,

value tint is not cheap film at all it is a high quality paper and works well dont let the name fool you try the film and see the results for your self plenty people on this board use it weather they say it or not....

I think that about wraps it up...good point. If there is anyone here that uses Valuetint, it would be nice to hear your opinions...that is, if Valuetint hasn't bribed you yet.

to set the record straight they dont bribe you...they send you a full 100' by 36" or 40" try try out and try again and try again who the hell else you know that has that much respect for there film to send ya a full roll if the product wasnt good he wood just be his bird and wasting his cash the film in my opinion is the same quality as global hp and qdp and carries a good warranty so or get off the pot and stop worrying about names and try the dam film

People still want to know how one film performs next to another. Yes, you can have them sit in your car and check it out but if you carry 10 sku's and have one car I think there is going to be a problem.

Mark you innovated your distribution channel and that is commendable. I wouldn't be surprised if others follow your example, it's a smart move in today's economy. You can do what you want with your product, just don't be surprised when people ask because you are doing something different from what they are used to seeing. If you post regularly about your company and products like you have and choose not to post performance data then it stands to reason that you may get called out around here. PR's hit about new products and what does everyone want to know? How much? How well does it perform compared to brand 'B'? Automotive is probably the lesser important of the two when it comes to reporting performance but you implicated FG as well you said performance data is propaganda.

To go so far as to say there are no standards that anyone abides by is fallacious. That's what made me jump into this fray. Standards are in place in the USA and it is up to MFG's and distributors to take advantage of what is available for the benefit of their dealers and the consumer at large. It is affirmation in your product's performance and shows your concern as a MFG/Dist for accuracy when it comes to public perception and confidence. Asian companies that use the Nexfil Method, Korean Method, Taiwanese Standard for performance rating and choose to distribute and sell there products in the USA should rate their performance by US standards because that is the market in which they are sold and installed. Just because they may think their testing standards are best in their country doesn't mean that it is best in this country and it certainly doesn't mean that our standards are irrelevant, inaccurate, or specious.

VCLIMBER can I add my
I think You know not only asian company which use own test methods, own test equipment - and simply cheat people
But this brand (I think in really one & only brand not "brand") so f***ing monstrous - that practically impossible to show tham about.
But of course asian sales method is easy as piece of %&$# - WE LOOK SIMILAR, BUT WE ARE CHEAPER.
Sometimes it pays, sometimes it cost.
Funny thing is other.
sh***y film packed in MADE IN .... box and selling cheaper became top seller.
Car tinters pay attention to three things:
1. Heat shrinking
2. Price
3. Lifetime warranty
If we will vote here - who got benefits from this "lifetime" not sure here will be lot votes "YES" I change my sh***y, but lifetime film easy.
But sales method for auto "easy shrinking - cheap - lifetime" is top sales method as I see now.
But of course Valuetint is right - if through out all this corporative %&$# - price can be lower.
I think I know 90% of Asian manufacturers (like also 90% american) from inside - may be ONE team pay attention to perfomanca data's and quality. I mean all pay attention - but result have only ONE company. I can be wrong - as I am only human who never heat shrinked and tinted but this is my IMHO.
And of course number of private labels (still any not private - government label) will grow monthly. Suppliers need sales - and they will acelerate this private labeling. And - this is for sure - not only asian-indian. Also american mfg's start this private label game - and people here discuss it and can't understand why film name if different, but look like known. That's easy. Somebody want to have more than one dealer in territory and also want to tint near Your door using own cheaper product.
All this IMHO - AND SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH AND STRANGE THOUGHTS...