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sunlimitedCT
That would hurt nationwide, auto manu's aren't going to make specific glass just for Cali., but they would most likely use it on every vehicle coming out of the plant.
TintWizard
So they are saying that our tinting services will no longer be needed in the next few years ?
Tintskillz
"California-based Southwall Technologies (OTCBB:SWTX) manufactures heat reflective XIR film, which is an attractive, off-the-shelf solution designed to meet all aspects of the mandated glass performance. Automotive glass manufacturers can use XIR film to immediately produce IR reflective glass that meets the new regulations without the need to make large capital investments in glass coating equipment."


Looks like they are trying to push film and not actual glass coating dunno.gif Sounds like someone did some serious lobbying. I don't see why our IR reflective films wouldnt work to do the same job.


Booms2Go
QUOTE (Tintskillz @ Jun 26 2009, 04:39 PM) [*]697732[/*]
I don't see why our IR reflective films wouldnt work to do the same job.

Not only that, but from the way I read it the glass will still be clear.....so people who want sun blockage and privacy will still be knocking on our doors. Plus there not going to retrofit old cars or anything. twocents.gif
TintWizard
QUOTE (Booms2Go @ Jun 26 2009, 06:34 PM) [*]697745[/*]
from the way I read it the glass will still be clear.....so people who want sun blockage and privacy will still be knocking on our doors.


Let's hope so..if the glass is still clear (and to me..it's the only way to make all the states / provinces happy) then it wont affect the industry hardly at all I wouldn't think
sunlimitedCT
QUOTE (Tintskillz @ Jun 26 2009, 04:39 PM) [*]697732[/*]
"California-based Southwall Technologies (OTCBB:SWTX) manufactures heat reflective XIR film, which is an attractive, off-the-shelf solution designed to meet all aspects of the mandated glass performance. Automotive glass manufacturers can use XIR film to immediately produce IR reflective glass that meets the new regulations without the need to make large capital investments in glass coating equipment."


Looks like they are trying to push film and not actual glass coating dunno.gif Sounds like someone did some serious lobbying. I don't see why our IR reflective films wouldnt work to do the same job.



Do you think the auto manny's won't realize it may be cheaper to implement an ir absorbing property in their glass rather than pay installers to meet federal regulations...
Booms2Go
This may be so that they are ready. If they cant meet launch dates when the law takes effect, then they may have to use a film based technology at first.
sunlimitedCT
QUOTE (Booms2Go @ Jun 26 2009, 07:10 PM) [*]697758[/*]
This may be so that they are ready. If they cant meet launch dates when the law takes effect, then they may have to use a film based technology at first.



At first, possibly if they aren't ready, then Cali. shops will hammer them with $$$, and they'll be lookin for a cheaper way
vclimber
QUOTE (Booms2Go @ Jun 26 2009, 03:34 PM) [*]697745[/*]
QUOTE (Tintskillz @ Jun 26 2009, 04:39 PM) [*]697732[/*]
I don't see why our IR reflective films wouldnt work to do the same job.

Not only that, but from the way I read it the glass will still be clear.....so people who want sun blockage and privacy will still be knocking on our doors. Plus there not going to retrofit old cars or anything. twocents.gif


The glass will have to be darker to meet efficiency standard. Then it crosses paths with state window tinting laws in CA's case that would be the NET 70 law. Which law is gonna be amended to accommodate the other?


QUOTE (sunlimitedCT @ Jun 26 2009, 04:08 PM) [*]697757[/*]
QUOTE (Tintskillz @ Jun 26 2009, 04:39 PM) [*]697732[/*]
"California-based Southwall Technologies (OTCBB:SWTX) manufactures heat reflective XIR film, which is an attractive, off-the-shelf solution designed to meet all aspects of the mandated glass performance. Automotive glass manufacturers can use XIR film to immediately produce IR reflective glass that meets the new regulations without the need to make large capital investments in glass coating equipment."


Looks like they are trying to push film and not actual glass coating dunno.gif Sounds like someone did some serious lobbying. I don't see why our IR reflective films wouldnt work to do the same job.



Do you think the auto manny's won't realize it may be cheaper to implement an ir absorbing property in their glass rather than pay installers to meet federal regulations...


Auto glass manny's already laminate film into their glass. That means aftermarket gets cut out.


QUOTE (Booms2Go @ Jun 26 2009, 04:10 PM) [*]697758[/*]
This may be so that they are ready. If they cant meet launch dates when the law takes effect, then they may have to use a film based technology at first.


They already do use film based tech.
Booms2Go
I find it hard to believe they would put laminated glass in a civic dunno.gif How many laminated glass autos do we tint anyway? Lots! And I meant that they at first would have to use an "applied" film at first, not a "laminated glass" film. twocents.gif
vclimber
QUOTE (Booms2Go @ Jun 26 2009, 04:41 PM) [*]697800[/*]
I find it hard to believe they would put laminated glass in a civic dunno.gif How many laminated glass autos do we tint anyway? Lots! And I meant that they at first would have to use an "applied" film at first, not a "laminated glass" film. twocents.gif


CA has some of the strictest emission standards and the auto manny's are forced to comply. Lami glass would be no different and could be implemented very quickly on new vehicles. Look at the time frame that they want to do this in, it is doable... all of the technology is in place.
Booms2Go
I agree with You V, I'm just saying there is lots of variables. Even if its a 70% film laminate, I dont think We, as an industry, would lose too much in the form of aftermarket film installations. People always want it darker! icon_mrgreen.gif
nctinter
Just have to find a new way to bs the customer. Tell them the heat rejection is minimial or that you can even double the heat rejection now by adding film on top of this new technology. Still this doesn't look good for us. Future may not be so bright
Sarah
well that sucks but i'm glad i'm not in that state....glad i'm in florida.......
tint star
(vkool/huper) southwall technologies paid some lobbyist to push for this, they are going to make bank$$$$.
anybody know if they're a publicly traded co., i'd like to by some stock.
actually, if you buy their films you should have a piece of the cake. your going to lose $$$$, this will continue towards flat glass. twocents.gif
vclimber
QUOTE (tint star @ Jun 27 2009, 07:15 AM) [*]697874[/*]
(vkool/huper) southwall technologies paid some lobbyist to push for this, they are going to make bank$$$$.
anybody know if they're a publicly traded co., i'd like to by some stock.
actually, if you buy their films you should have a piece of the cake. your going to lose $$$$, this will continue towards flat glass. twocents.gif


It's already happening in FG twocents.gif
mikeMN
QUOTE (tint star @ Jun 27 2009, 09:15 AM) [*]697874[/*]
(vkool/huper) southwall technologies paid some lobbyist to push for this, they are going to make bank$$$$.
anybody know if they're a publicly traded co., i'd like to by some stock.
actually, if you buy their films you should have a piece of the cake. your going to lose $$$$, this will continue towards flat glass. twocents.gif

yes the company has been publicly traded since 1987 buy it up.
thatsnappyguy
i would say about 80% of tint my tint business is based on how the customer wants the car to look, then being happy about the fact that it blocks out heat.






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