Input needed in regards to GeoShield

I inquired about GoeShield and recieved a packet yesterday in the mail. The reason behind the thought of picking them up, is because MAC and Geo are made in the same plant. I havent heard of problems with the MAC films as of yet, and I cannot sell MAC unless Im outside of Harris County (for those of you not familiar with Harris County, look it up on a map...its enormous). Geo seems to be the best alternative, beside Huper, which wont give me the time of day. Its important to me to have a local distributor, and Geo has one very close to me.

So, before I make the decision, I'd like some feedback from dealers or previous dealers. I dont know yet what the price would be psf for the film through the distibutor, but the list price they sent me is crazy. Extremely high on price. Samples look good though. I will only be using Geo for FG use.

its a very good film company, i've used it but not as much as i wish i could. I've landed and convinced customers with this film and kept them from going to others, like vkool, huper,mac, just the film is very very clear, the stuff really does work and they stand behind they're product 100%. I've had occasions with my customers and they will go out of they're way to help. I give them two thumbs up for sure man. As far as prices go, they're not all that high compares to other ceramic film line. It may or not be high or higher but at least your not stuck with a contract were you have to buy an X amount of film per month or quota.

This was one of the first questions I asked them. There is no "buy in" either. Seems like a no brainer, and I dont know if I will sell a lot of it, but I will give me a film to present when the customer says they dont want a shiney film. AND, there is a local distributor about 6 miles from me. Thanks for the feedback TINT.

Burns and Beau are top notch when it comes to customer service. I love the Geo-30 and the IRS-70. I think I bought like $20,000 worth of film from them last year. Prices are fair. Unfortunately I havnt used them much this year since JWF started selling their Palisade ceramic line this year (dry adhesive) and offering it in their pre-cut program. Definitely give them a chance.

Thanks CE, I think I will. Just have to fill out the paper work.

yes geoshields customer service is top notch. We've been using the dmc for a couple years. As well as geo & iris as needed. The film is great if you don't mind installing PS adhesive. And Yes the GEO/MAC films are the same.




can anyone confirm if GEO comes in 72" I can't remember.

nope....60" is the widest

what about MAC, 72" or not ?

nope they dont either.


GEO is PS but the film is very thick so its not hard to reverse roll at all

Yeah, MAC comes in a 72" roll. Its called PMAC for some reason, and the color is a little off from the other sizes. I think the film is made elsewhere, b/c maybe the machines are not big enough where Geo and MAC are made.

PMAC? ok...

last i heard they didnt.

They've been making it for 2 years.

probably some reboxed indian film. Figured Madico would have they're own machines to cut 72"

Madico doesnt make MAC...

japanese company does

I thought that both the MAC and Geo Shield was made in Korea?

the film is ok i guess. the sales staff are awsome butt the film is not the highest quality. but i could be wrong. thinner, harder to peel than some, and has reddish orange tint to the outside like mmm. also has high absorbtions numbers, may be too high for the northern states. but if they stand by their warranties than there is nothing to worry about. they are worth a shot. there is no huge buy in or any thing.

MAC= Sputtered in AZ

GEO= Made in Korea

PMAC= ????

Thats just what is says on the box. I have yet to fill out the paperwork for Geo. For the dealer like me who cant sell certain products b/c of territory issues, it makes sense. Ive tried with other films but they wont give me the time of day. Geo could help me with sales...maybe...

Anyone remember "Viewlite?"

just get it directly from the Koreans

Huper Optik is the only company to manufacture a 72" ceramic film..... I installed Geoshield for a short time before getting up with Huper and the main reason i switched was having to compete against the local competitor with MAC. Geo is not going to beat MAC in my opinion but Huper does all day in every aspect.

Thats not true. Madico manufactures PMAC, which is the 72" MAC. All other sizes are made in Tempe, AZ. They are all ceramic films. And, Huper doesnt manufature ANY of their own films. Southwall does...along with VKool. Huper is a "distributor".

I think you MAY be wrong... if Huper is a distributor then why did enpro (which is a distributor) distribute Huper Optik........

Yes they did. My point it Huper doesnt manufacture ANY of their films, thats why I put "distributor". The only thing they make is the layer that makes the film not shiney...thats it. Go to Southwall and look for yourself.

Yes

Is that your final answer TJ?

Known facts (quotes mean public statements):

-GMX owns Huper Optik Pte with other interest holders along with some other well-know brand name window films.

-GMX "in 2001 took a significant equity stake in Southwall as a long-term investment in a technology and a company that has tremendous growth potential." So GMX (Huper Optik Pte) is part owner of a MFG of window film components.

-"Novomatrix is jointly owned by the Southern Capital Group, an eminent Singapore-based private equity fund, and Globamatrix Holdings Pte Ltd, a multi-industry holdings company and a serial award winner headquartered in Singapore."

-"26 Feb 2008: Novomatrix Pte Ltd announced today that its affiliated company Solamatrix Inc, has entered into an agreement to acquire the property, plant, equipment, intellectual property and various other manufacturing assets previously owned by Film Technologies Inc (FTI) based out of St Petersburg, Florida, USA."

So based on factual public information it appears that Huper Optik is not just a distributor but rather GMX/Huper and its subsidiaries owns interest in one manufacture and bought FTI which is now Solamatrix which is owned by Novomatrix/GMX/Huper. I would say that you could classify Huper Optik as a manufacture because the people that own it manufacture film.





It sure looks a lot like PMAC but that is just my

Well stated V

anyone heard about the geo films with dry adhesive, I believe Tre said they have geo30 with dry adhesive. Earlier in this thread someone said the GEO films were made in korea from my understanding the geoshield dark matter ceramic and dark matter dyed are coming from korea but there geo ceramics are coming from AZ same place as MAC films. Anyone....?

Dark matter ceramic has dye -imo

Geoshield are the ones that said their film comes from Korea.

Yes the dark matter ceramic does have some dye, hopefully its color stable dye...time will tell, so far so good. Tre' from geoshield told me the Auto films dm & dmc are coming from Korea but made to their specs & I guess anyone else who can come up with the minimum order requirement. He also willingly admitted the GEO 30,40,50 are coming off huper's old machine in AZ. Now the IRis 70 I'm guessing is also coming from Korea because I've seen very very similar re-boxed products.


Geoshield is a great company to deal with and so far their films have been superior without any failures I haven't had any...

The AZ facility makes the ceramic component then they can add whatever adhesive, so if they want too, they can get a master made up in dry adhesive.

DM is probably extruded chip dye or glue dye... ask maybe they'll tell you.

IRis 70 is definitely import... it has been around and used to have different performance numbers. It would be interesting to see which ones are correct.

I wonder whos adding there adhesive, I knew the MAC & GEO had different PS adhesives, is Madico layering their own adhesive on MAC films ? The DMC has got to be chip dyed it has a nice yellow adhesive when scraped I've never seen any dye in it.

Could be just about any coater/laminator (ie. BSF, Maddi, CPF, CLC, or others) Maddi obviously does their own. There is a glue dye tech that is dye embedded in the lami adhesive so you wouldn't see it when scrape the adhesive coat on the bottom of the film.

Not quite...

Southwall(Manufacturer of Huper's Ceramic and V-Kool's Silver-Gold film) has majority of its controlling interest held by NEEDHAM INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=SWTX.OB
Southwall is a publicly traded company, therefore I can buy as much stock as I want, but I will never be able to obtain controlling interest in the company.
Consequently, no matter how much stock Huper Optik/GMX/V-Kool/Solamatrix buys they will not be able to obtain controlling interest in Southwall, since there are simply not enough shares on the market.
This would not classify Huper Optik/GMX/V-Kool/Solamatrix as a manufacturer of Huper Optik Product or V-Kool Product.

Huper Optik/GMX/V-Kool purchased the Window Film Coating Company (FTI) and changed the name to Solamatrix. FTI quality is nothing compared to Huper Optik or V-Kool grade products. In fact, I don't think they even coat/convert/laminate their Huper Optik Ceramic or V-Kool Silver-Gold product in their Solamatrix(FTI) facility.

In addition, Solamatrix does not have the technology to Metalize, Dye, or Sputter Window Film. They are simply a coating/converting/laminating operation and do not sell Huper Optik or V-Kool products.

To call Huper Optik a manufacturer is simply misleading and misrepresenting as both Solamatrix and Huper Optik run independent operations and are separate corporations.
Southwall is the manufacturer of Huper Optik Film. Simply owning shares of Southwall does not make Huper Optik a manufacturer.

It's like calling Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway a Bank since it owns a percentage of Wells Fargo.
Or even better calling Wells Fargo a Soda Bottling company that produces Coke since Warren Buffet(Berkshire Hathaway) has a steak in Coka-Cola as well as Wells Fargo.

That statement reminds me of that Ameritrade Commercial where the kid tells his coach "my dad owns Nike" and the coach dreams of what the kid's dad could do for the team. Later the coach finds out the father is a nerdy day trader and owns .00015% of Nike.
For those who don't remember (3rd Paragraph): http://www.amtd.com/news/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=179805

Cheers!

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Au revoir!

Whoa...what just happened? Im taking notes.

what really matters?

first of all i would like to clarify this for all. huper optik is a manufacturer and also distributes in certain areas directly. Southwall is responsible for providing 1 component of the process and huper optik handles the rest. The patent is coowned by huper and southwall too. By the way, southwall does not own huper optik only part of the patent and huper optik owns huper optik.

As for other issues:
does it really matter weather a company is a manufacturer or distributor?
what matters is the quality and technology of product put out, warranty, do they compete with me, and are they an ethical company?
weather geoshield or mac, i am sure they are all good products.

here are some facts though that tell you about the films and the companies that represent them.

1. the ceramic 72 inch ,is not the same technology of film that is used in their 60 inch material. how many companies are aware of this. Also the 72 inch ceramic has to contain either metals or dyes unlike the 60 inch. i respect any company trying to provide their dealers with more products but not letting them know about the fact that this is not a true ceramic film is the main issue. i personally have had dealers call me that were not aware of this. they also asked if the 3000 can be made in 72 inch, why dont they make all the rest. well now you know. also this is why the films feel different and also are not a 100% color match.
What is going to happen one day is that a customer is going to get 72 inch mac installed in their house wo being told they are not really a true ceramic and somehting is going to go bad someday, maybe a change in color or corrosion and then when the customer realizes that they were sold non ceramics, the manufacturer will have to dealer with another lawsuit

2. the company that madico is buying their 60 inch ceramic film from does not have the ability to do the following
a. make a 72 inch ceramic film
b. make multi ply ceramic films that are patented by huper
this is the reason that even other companies buying from the compnay in AZ only have 60 inch material.
c. many companies always say, ours are better or advanced and actually thats the opposite. the dual layer films are advanced bc thats how reflection is decreased and how you get non reflective ceramics. reflective ceramics eg the mac and other single layer ceramics look more like our fusion films. the single layer films existed before dual layer. i think they may be calling them advanced compared to other films they carry instead of comparing them to hupers. by the way, all single layer ceramic films are the same so really they are not even more advanced than other single layer ceramics. interesting how you call something advanced when it has been around for 7 years before you. it seems like when someone that came out with color stable auto film about 3 years ago and started saying wow, color stable technology now innovated when cp films had actuall done a lot of hard work creating it.

Other issues to consider,
other ceramic films that claim on ceramics
here is what to get in writing from them, the manufacturers
1. does the produc t contain a metal in it
2. does the product contain a dye in it
3. are they nfrc tested
4. do they have accelerated tests to show what these films will look like int he future

Hope that clarifies stuff

as for the dealer asking the question, i understand your point as most companies with programs want more commitments than companies that just sell to everyone so take up a good line of films and hopefully as you grow your company, you can look at companies with good programs such as Panorama, 3M, vista and huper.

harry

I brought my guns and the facts.