canadian health care

As you know there trying to get health care in the US . The republicans keeep saying you guys (canadians) have the worst health care and your govt let the elderly die because it cost too much to save or heal them . Aparently you guys come to the states to get surgery to save your lives. Is this so ? lets hear it from the actual people not some millionare politician being lobbied by the medical indusrty.

Prescription For Disaster

We have health care here.....best in the world.


If I were 75 years old....living in Canada, how long would it take me to get a hip or knee replacement......

Hospitol rooms at $10000 per night and $100 tablets and an annual increase in insurance premiums at 20-40% cant continue much longer ?

Thats wrong. We just had our forth child. My wife was in the hospital for 3 days with a c-section. 12 grand. I think thats fair.......or should my neighbors have paid for it?

Back about six years ago, I had a stent put in My heart, 1 night overnight, so LESS than 24 hours....$97,000.00
That is ridiculous.

6 - 9 months..I know , my grandma had one. I've had family members go through cancer treatments, heart attacks , strokes. all taken care of my our government. That's first hand knowledge..the downside..there ae waiting lists for things and if you have to go to emergency for something..it's all based on priority .

All I know is my grandmother lived in canada all her life she died 2 years ago at the age of 95 .

we have people die here everyday that have insurance but the insurance companies deny the claim for no reason.

We have people come here from MEXICO and get all the care they need......for free. Now thats a good system..

If we got rid of the freeloaders on our system, these costs would be reduced (which I think you have exaggerated). Im 28, a smoker, and I pay $62 a month for my independant healthcare through Blue Cross Blue Shield. Many times its better to get your own health insurance outside of your employer. They way they come up with the cost is based on an average. Your co-worker may have health issues whereas you may have none. They average the cost and you pay that average. Sometimes its cheaper to get an idividual plan. Your co-workers may pay $400-$600 a month for a family of 4 where you may pay $300-$500. Go to www.daveramsey.com and click on ELP (endorsed local provider) and get quotes on heathcare. Get a HSA (Health savings account) compatible plan. If its just you, or your kids are older, get a high deductable plan, save the deductable in your HSA and should something catastrophic happen, the most you would pay is that high deductable.

$5000 deductable vs $100,000 bill? Its a no brainer, and NO country has a better system then us. Ask your representatives if they are willing to give up their healthcare for this bs ObamaCare. They will say NO. Anyone with a brain can see how damaging this bill is, and you dont have to have an "R" behind your name. Look at the country's that have govt ran healthcare. Look at Europe especially. And yes, Canadians are coming across the border for OUR healthcare. Our waiting list is different from theirs...now I have to wait behind some !llegal before Im seen. When my son was 2 months old, we had to take him to the emergency room at 2am, and had to wait behind a couple that had no insurance and spoke no english. We made a big scene about it, and was promptly seen by a doctor. We need to stand up!

[/quote]When my son was 2 months old, we had to take him to the emergency room at 2am, and had to wait behind a couple that had no insurance and spoke no english. We made a big scene about it, and was promptly seen by a doctor. We need to stand up!
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Those bastards they didnt even speak english . How dare they make you wait . You are american . You speak english!

Our health care is better than Canada and Mexico, but not the rest of the world. If you are going to compare our healthcare to the rest of the world, the fact is that we America has the most EXPENSIVE health care system. And as far as the best, we are ranked 37th in the world, yet we pay out of our pockets, get rejected for no reason, and get kicked out of the hospital if you insurance company decides to make up some excuse not to pay the pill after you have been paying thier premiums for years. That is not the evidence of "The Best."
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

when ever someone says something about goverment ran healthcare, they automatically think of Canada, as if we have to be like them. Why doesnt anyone think of France, Italy, Germany, Spain, or any of the European counties... Is it beacuse Canada is so close, that if we adopt government health care, it must be like our nieghbor? Think outside the box.

This isn't about race at all, no matter how much you want it to be, do you think you could move to Mexico and expect them to support you, hire only those to government positions who speak English and Spanish and pay you to have children and give you every advantage that Mexican citizens don't have?





Bingo, this isn't really about helping people at all, this is just an excuse to raise taxes and destroy our country by domestic enemies who answer to another country.

No system will ever be ideal

Most Canadians seem to be relatively happy with what we have, and I'm guessing most (the one's with insurance) Americans are happy with theirs. Just from what you read and see I'd guess that America needs some change in their health care system, but it probably makes more sense to refine and rework the current system than starting from the ground up with one modeled after our's or any other country's.

And, in response to the original's posters question... I've had friends and family members with virtually every ailment under the sun. Yes there's hiccups in the system, yes there are sometimes waiting lists for various procedures, and yes it is not perfect. However, on the whole, it's been good care for them. It's no where near the horry story some American media's made it out to be. If people from here go to the States for a procedure or care, it's usually for a good reason or exception, it's not the rule. But again, there's a lot of flaws. Private health care has numerous high points, and so does public. It's choosing the lesser of two evils IMO, because either way, some people get the shaft and pay dearly.

All I know is if I get sick or fall of my roof and break my leg or..I know I don't have to worry about losing my house due to medical bills..there is a certain peace of mind to that.

well, i have insurance so in a way i feel good about that, BUT, theres always that possibility that they will find some BS reason not to cover me. If i break my hand, i could basically loose my house if i cant tint for a few months, not to mention that my insurance company can totally screw me and leave me with the bill, which im sure for a broken hand could be over $20k. its all BS.

No one in the U.S. can be denied healthcare regardless if you pay for it. Our system is not perfect, of course. Let me paint a picture. Lets sat ThatSnappyGuy has health insurance through his current employer and the bill gets passed. Should he decide to change jobs with another company or work for himself, he wold have NO CHOICE but to take the ObamaCare. The private insurance companies would go under at some point. The beauty of having private insurance is that everything is in writing. If the govt is providing your care, they will decide if its worth you getting "fixed".


TintDude, I think he was being sarcastic in his response to me.

i need to find myself a canadian chick

I like Mexican chicks...always have, and always dated them, and I married one. Im the pastiest white dude on the planet...I glow in the dark Im so white, so its quite a contrast....like an ice cream sandwich.

All I was trying to point out, is that our system is not anywhere NEAR as bad, or as ghetto-fabulous as it's made out to be by opposers in the States of ObamaCare. I'm not saying it would work for you, since Canada and the U.S. are very different beasts, but for us, here, it's working well enough. And no, the 'government' and 'the people behind the scenes' do not decide what's best for us. Doctor's still base decisions on the best they have available and their working knowledge. It's not like they say, "well 2 rounds of chemotherapy would be ideal... but uh, the Prime Minister decided yesterday that's a bit pricey, so here's some brocoli, go eat that and walk it off". Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any hard facts of comparisons (averages) between our two countries? I'm just curious, I want to see what average wait times are, average costs to the average person over a lifetime (either insurance or in our case, taxes), etc. You just seem to hear a lot of far flung arguments but I'd like to read numbers. Not trying to stir something up, I'm genuinely curious. I would assume you'd get better care in the US if you have good insurance... and they don't drop you. It's just nice here that, as T.W. pointed out, there's no real risk of losing anything if you become seriously ill/hurt. Obviously you'll lose your income if you don't have a way to cover that, but you'll never have medical costs and hospital bills.

well that old hippie pelosi says they have the votes so we'll see. i don't want it.

amen . I want to know when i am 50 and i get sick and the insurance company finds some excuse not to pay the bill or drops me i am not woorring about leaving my wife with no house and a $100k bill.
tint wizard said it perfect " PEACE OF MIND "

this is the truth

IMO we need health care overhauled not rebuilt. I am 56 and my health insurance is 1200 a month for my wife and myself and it sucks on what it covers. 10 years ago the cost was half and the coverage was nice Medical professionals are sure throwing lots of bucks against the "new" deal.

just curious, we established that none of you mofos eat grits, does anyone listen to walton and johnson in the morning? i do every morning and this is about all they talk about.

Im a 10%er!!!!!


No one in the US is denied healthcare regarless if you have insurance or not. The system is expensive, but its the best in the world. You will pay more for it here to get the best, just like someone who buys a BMW over a Ford.

I'm not trying to start something here... but it's not the best in the world though

The W.H.O.'s last and final rankings in 2000 or so rated it about 37th... that's not exactly up there. We were 30th, but that's nothing to brag about either.

I'm not saying it's bad, because we're right in the same range, but to say it's the best in the world is blatantly wrong. Yes there might be some newer technology available in some instances, but that's about it. And I'm sure there's other countries who have new technology readily available too, we do. Not that anyone would care about my opinion, but I think Stan's right... Obama might have some good ideas and some bad ones, but either way you feel about it, a complete overhaul is probably a bad idea. It'd be expensive, complicated and probably result in confusion for awhile for everyone down there Same reasons why we haven't done a massive change I guess. Either way, I really hope you guys get something good out of whatever happens.

No, we do have the best heathcare in the world. Our survival % with cancer and various diseases/viruses is the highest. You dont see people flocking to Canada or Europe for heathcare unless one is in a third world country. People come from around the world to the US for medical help.

The part your leaving out (probably because you didn't know ) is that Canada trains some of the best Dr's in the world ...then the US gives them better paying jobs so they end up leaving our country for yours in pursuit of the better $$$. So yes ,,they are flocking to the US..but you might be surprised at how many Canadians are working as the finest Dr's thier.

Thats fine. There are many doctors that go to school elsewhere and come here to practice. I have no problems with that. I dont blame Canadians wanting to practice here...we have a better system. I also dont think that the ObamaCare plan will be passed.

but if they only sold bmw many people would be with out a car. We need an option for us self employed . Many of you guys are under 30 where insurance isnt a big deal. I am in my 40s and insurance for a family is running over $700 a month and you still have to pay a deductable. Then when you have a claim it will double. Health insurance is like car insurance. If you have too many claims they dump you or charge you so much to discourage you not to nsure with them.

Before we went into biz for ourselves, my hubby was a union pipefitter. He had fantastic benefits, but we had to pay for them. He has kids from another marriage, so we pay their healthcare as well. We pay now around $400 a month for it, when he had healthcare from his company, we paid almost $1000 a month for it. During that time his little girls surgery was denied 3 times. We paid almost $12,000 a year for benefits and when we needed them, they denied us everytime. That is a broken and bullshit system imo.

My sister is now arguing with my dad's insurance company about doing surgery on her knee, which by the way, is getting worse by the day. They are arguing that she only took 10 Credit hours in college this summer semester and therefore she wasn't full time and therefore she wasn't covered, although they did charge my dad every month for her to be on the insurance. And she is a full time student in the normal school years. Come on guys, maybe the doctors and hospitals don't need restructured, but the insurance companies need to be overhauled and dealt with.

I'll speak on behalf of 2 Dr's I personally know that I grew up with as friends and moved to the US to practice..they didn't go because they wanted to leave thier family and friends for a better system..they left strictly for the $$$ in the private sector..nothing more..nothing less

just a quick joke
In medical school do you know what they call the one who graduates last in their class?
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with two kids that are cancer survivors I got to have a good dr. joke but it is true and I sure don't want dmv or the post office type administration deciding who my kids see. Insurance companies are easy compared to the government. Hospitals doctors and insurance company's are all to blame for this mess but uninsured people using emergency rooms like a dr's office are a big part of the problem.