Geoshield

Any body using Geoshield and or going to the show in New Orleans in Sept.??

I use some geoshield mostly DMC for cars.

we dont really use any auto, but a lot of commercial...good people there

Yes they are cool people

they got my thumbs up

is it really a good film i have seen it advertised but have never used it. What is it comparable to ?

Geo 30, 40, 50 is comparable to Mad MAC, and Johnson Palisade...

May be because.......................

So secrative, they must all be the same film in a different box

I have been useing Geoshield Iris 70 mostly and dark matter for the cars and have no complants.......
if i have say the have been a great company and product.
I give them an

It doesn't matter if You like it.
Chevy, Daewoo, Opel - same car with differnt label.
GEO = SUZUKI and so on, NATIONAL = PANASONIC.
why people think that window film is something uberexclusive in this world?
Same %&$# - and same cheating. That's business.
And such problem like "reboxing" - that's nothing. All world live so.
There is ONLY ONE WINDOW FILM MANUFACTURER IN THE WORLD FROM A to Z and ANYCASE they stopped make SAFETY & SECURITY and looking now for supplier. Yes, yes, yes - MANUFACTURER LOOKING FOR SUPLLIER. And that's normal. That's business.
And main in this business TO SELL.
I always show sample with COKE. There are lot of similar, may be 100% copies. And all of them never kill thurst,
but people buy and people drink, and people pay twice only because it is COKE.
That's an art.
People pay 40% for TOYOTA called LEXUS, or HONDA called ACURA.
And people will pay 300% more for ...... called MMM.

Why are all the numbers on them different? AND, why the hell is Geo so much more expensive than MAC?? I do like the adhesive on Geo better than MAC. The only reason why I picked up Geo is b/c I knew MAC and Geo are made in the same plant, and I cant sell MAC. Does anyone know if the adhesives are made differently for each?

i understand about the film coming from basically the same place but some companies make there lower ends like Gila that lummar makes witch is not a good film. but Blade just told me more about it and we have a box here that i did not even know we had LOL. but i am a huge Johnson fan and really like there gray stone line marathon is ok but gray stone is thicker. but i will check out the geo.

shows how much i like the stuff

Everyone should pay more attention to LEO's posts as he has hit the nail on this, i have learned alot from Leo over past few weeks.
By the way Leo your man down in Los Angeles has not contacted at all whatsoever! Gotta let me know of different contacts for me
to get the ball rollin on this thing

J and Mad Mac are from the same place...

Geo is not.

leo bra,
just because the film comes from the same manu. doesn't mean its the same product. would you pick a toyota avalon over a lexus ls, i think not. there's nothing wrong with the avalon, but the ls is better. same goes for film.
i use to hate it when another tint shop would say their film is better then the film i suggested and charge $1.00/sqft less. i would prove them wrong with meters(btu,infrared thermometer and uv).
meters don't lie. you guys are lucky now, you have nfrc rating for films.
go with the big manus. for IR type films, everyone else is second and always will.

Sure about that?

Quite

Word on the street is that MAC and Geo are made in the old Huper facility in Arizona started by two previous employees of Huper. I dont have any proof of this...but Im sure it cant be true if you say it isnt...

Thanks for compliment
As I told here many times - we learned weak places of capitalism - and know them better, than people who never know how it can be: "NO BLUE JEANS AND COLA IN OUR SHOP "
All other matter I will push
Some weeks ago I checked one more thing I also don't know - was funny, but this is real secret

Hmmmmmmmmmm.......and SunTek - are former Llumar .
I can be wrong - BUT, NO SIR! And NO AGAIN! But - I can be wrong.

No proof and you post a statement like that?

You might want to rethink it...

I can be wrong - oldest HO facility was located in Dresden, East Block of Germany....But that also can be legend.
IMHO - doesn't matter who made and where. N1 - HOW and IF YOU AND CUSTOMERS LIKE IT.
Quality of product doesn't change from company owner nationality - but of course, he also can change company policy.
As far as I know - most expensive brands are Chinese owned. Like also cheapest ones

lets see the proof ppl.. if we are so sure of things.

if you rely on using a "brand' that might be well known to a customer and think you wont get the job because your customer doesnt recognize the film you use then there is something wrong wit hyou

you are in the business of creating a good reputation for your own customer, you need to showw them that you mean business and that you know what you are talking about. i've been able to sell all kinds of films bidding against 3m and huper and sometimes at a higher level. just need to up your sales tactics...after all, it is film and there is no real statistic on what film is better than the other...

....I just beat out Tint Houston for the first time. They offered Ceramic 30 (I think...it had a TSER of 60%) against my SB341 (which I admit I used a pre-NFRC spec chart that shows 66%TSER). I talked more about the absorption issue than the reduction of heat. It would be nice if Huper would disclose absorption on their films. Im sure its much higher than 40%. Id guess its in the mid 50's.

Very often (I think 70-80%) victory depend not from film - but from person who sell it.
I know one top manager who work with 3 or 4 major brands - and always get back customers. His customers.
So - N1 is sales person, film quality - after that. Anycase film will not discolorate tomorrow....
As I told 1000000000000000000000 times Coke never help against thurst - but this is N1 drink AGAINST THURST.

I have heard it is 48% but I would like to know for sure, no bullshit

I heard how much film those guys sell in a month... that one job is not going to hurt them. They probably install more film in one month than you can put up in a year.

What's worse, not publishing your SA or publishing that your film rejects 66% TSER and then one day it changes to only 56%?




Very true my friend.




I heard the same thing. Hopefully someone will come forward.

Youre right, they sell a ton of it. They are also selling for a ridiculously low price...lower then me for a film thats less psf to purchase. Its fine though, I know a little about the inner workings of that place, and dont see it staying on top too long, but Im over their competition even if they succeed. As far as the number changing, no NFRC certified Huper films changed a little from pre certification? I think the number changed so drastically b/c the NFRC uses 3mm glass for the test as opposed to 1/8-1/4" glass. ALL of my spec charts/design guides show SA. My product performs better than what the new chart says.

All lab tests - ARE JUST LAB TEST.
Nothing more.
As I wrote my favorite test AK74 bulletproof test. 3 bullets.
But there are 30 in AK74 (we used double magazie - 60, i used 90 )
SO WHY THREE?
And believe me - laboratory conditions - You will never find in REAL LIFE.
And if SO - supplier will tell You, SORRY - WE TESTED IT IN OTHER CONDITIONS.
As I remember when we asked one top manager of top brand why antiUV film doesn't work, he told us - SEEMS THERE WERE SOME UV LEFT IN THE SHOP.
That's why WE TEST IN REAL LIFE CONDITIONS.
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Changing performances in NFRC are mostly upwards a few percent including Huper and others. But with Madico we're talking a massive drop from 66%-56% for SB 341, that is huge. What about all of these customers who bought SB 341 over the years thinking they were getting a film that rejects 66% TSER? Was it actually 66%?

3mm glass is 1/8" last time I checked and the windowfilm industry has always tested on 1/8" clear.

I don't see 3 mm glass here for many years....

well thanks for all the info....but still nobody going to the geoshield show huh?

We will be there!

Is there any FREE VODKA planned?

I'll happily provide my own. New Orleans? Latin Quarter? Business write-off??

Doh, damn metric system! Well, I suppose if Ceramic30 went up to 60%TSER then SB341 at 56% is compareable, with 40% absorption. On glass, mine would look slighty more refective, but I must thankyou making me realize my customers are getting more bang for the buck. MAC went down too. From 67% to 56%. How exactly do they do these tests? Maybe they did HO at a 60 degree...


Is HO certified by the NFRC?

This is from Madicos wesite....
When viewing our film’s solar optical properties, you will notice discrepancies between what is reported by the NFRC
and what we have reported historically. The reason for this discrepancy is quite simple. Madico, as have most window
film manufacturers, has always read the transmission and reflectance of their solar control window film based on test
method ASTM E-1175. The NFRC uses ASTM E-903. These test methods are quite similar, both using integrated sphere
spectrophotometers. There is the potential, however, for the two test methods to yield slightly different results.

Calculating the remaining solar properties was historically done using ASHRAE recommendations. Today these
calculations are carried out based on NFRC guidelines. These guidelines are also available on the NFRC site and are
noted as NFRC-200 and NFRC-300. Because of the subtle differences between the two methods, there will frequently be
variations between our solar properties as reported via NFRC from our historical values. These differences apply not only
to the NFRC certified properties (SHGC, VLT), but to the ancillary properties that we publish as well. As a reminder, the
SHGC is the accepted NFRC measure of solar heat rejection—and this calculation includes IR rejection. Separating the IR
rejection for purposes of heat gain reporting can be misleading.

It is important to note that there is a difference between the performance of film on actual window constructions (window
performance) and performance on an isolated piece of glass. When solar optical properties are measured on an isolated
pane of glass they are referred to as “center of glass” readings. It is important to understand that “center of glass”
measurements will be different from the same film applied to an actual constructed window, which consists of the glass
itself, as well as the frame. The analysis of “total window performance” is calculated using two programs, Optics 5 and
Windows, available from LBNL. These reported values represent a standard window construction as identified by the
NFRC and represent the entire window construction.

LATIN QUARTER - VODKA brand?

Do you actually know what you are talking about or are you just cutting and pasting? Your customers are not getting more bang for their buck, they are getting the same thing they have always been getting unless the frameless specifications have been misreported all of these years. If that is the case, then they are getting mislead or at least they were getting mislead.

Huper Optik is not NFRC Certified nor is Madico but their films are certified. NFRC certification is a process of verifying product performance under specified control conditions it is not a certification of any particular company. As your cut and paste comment explains NFRC ratings are different from the way that the window film industry tests its products. So naturally you get differing results from the MFG performance chart and the NFRC sticker because the conditions that the said products are tested under are... not the same!

The performance charts on Madico's website have always listed the product performance of their films on 1/8" clear glass with no framing. The same is true of every other window film MFG unless otherwise specified. So Madico specifications page that uses the industry standard test method of 1/8" clear frameless always used to say that SB341 had a TSER of 66%. Now it has changed to 56% TSER and there is no mention of a changed testing method to the NFRC method, it is the same LBNL test. What accounts for such a big change in product performance then?

basically, the shiat works stop trippin

Evidently, not as good as it used too.

and that is for all films.

Like Coke....

isnt geo made by our korean friends?