Alternatives to Huper Select ?

ok i am still trying to track Huper Select down but frankly i doubt i ever will succeed. as always nobody wants to carry the best product - its the same everywhere, not just in Tinting.

i mean Huper Select Drei - 99% UV rejection, 98% IR rejection - why would any shop want to carry a film that is perfect ? no they will give me an option of 20 different films all of which are garbage but not one shop will carry select. perfectly predictable.

anyway - is there anything similar i can start trying to hunt down ?

there is a russian saying that translates " the less you know the better you sleep " ... eh :(

Yeah most huper dealers don't carry the select drei line. It is a very expensive film to stock, but we carry it and it is because it brings the biggest profit margins. Sorry you are having trouble finding a dealer that carries and unfortunately I am in Texas. I just don't get why as a huper dealer one wouldn't carry it. The only thing that comes close to drei is ceramic 30. Your not going to find another brand that has a film comparable to drei.

That is a great film but I wouldnt focus on that 98% IR rejection. IR accounts for 49-52% (Depends on who you ask) of the suns energy. So even if it blocks 100% IR it is not blocking 100% of the suns energy from passing through the glass.

TSER - Total solar energy rejected is where it's at for comparison

I'm not saying it isn't a great film, just the marketing behind IR specs these days is misleading to consumers.

Where are you?

Misleading how? Maybe others are misleading but I just tell people that IR is only part of the equation but it is a part that traditional films don't address. It's an honest sales pitch and it sells the film.

A silver 20 film has a TSER of 78% +/- Since visible light and UV only account for 51% of that solar energy even the old school products handle part of that equation.

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So you gonna put that on a car all the way around. He didn't post in this thread but he did in a different thread that this is for his car. The silver 20 you are talking about would be too reflective and too dark. Platinum Plus 18 only gets 65% tser and is still too dark.

I agree, and Im surprised V isnt commenting on this thread. Ive seen him post about the misleadings of IR #'s...but maybe b/c this is a Huper thread, Huper is always right.

And Im sure if he does respond, I'll be the one he quotes.

atr stealth blocks out 68%, even more.

dont worry this guy wants dark, flat black, no reflectivity, and a film that blocks in the 70's. theres gonna have to be a compromise somewhere, and i think hes gonna end up compromising on the look of his tint. at first he wanted looks, we gave him the answers, then performance, now both, now back to performance only; now bashing us tinters that dont carry drei. does he even know that drei can only be 1 pieced on some cars?

you want my honest opinion homes? put atr 20 on the sides of your car and atc 20 on the rear. you want some shiny tint on your black car go ahead.

I wasnt trying to imply Silver 20 was suitable for his car. I was pointing out that an industry standard film like Silver 20 does block IR heat the amount is not disclosed since TSER SHCG etc.. are much better indicators of a films performance. I've seen "Ceramics, IR" films pitched as if other products don't touch IR heat which is misleading.

Most films block between 45-55% of IR. IR is said to be the heat you feel and I think these IR films are better suited for the automotive and residential industry. As far as going for energy savings you can get more heat rejection from a silver 30%. I know the silver films dont look as good but they do a good job in energy savings. The silvers are better suited for the commercial side I think. Not that they are not good for the residential side but they are not very asteticlly pleasing.

Damn straight you'll be in my quote TJ. This is the only thing I've seen you be right about lately. I haven't been able to keep up with threads because I have been working and when I do come here I am to busy correcting all of you inaccurate statements such as the one about Huper being a Distributor. You are going to overtake Scotty at this rate!

IR rejection %'s can be misleading. I prefer to look at transmission rates across the 3 solar regions but marketing does what market does so you are going to see IR rejection percentages. My rep just showed me a graphical transmission rate and it is a very good way to illustrate the need to look at these percentages across the solar spectrum. Not all wavelengths are equal in their intensity. Some films are designed to filter selective wavelengths better than others. Those silver films that LTL was talking about will filter more visible wavelength intensity and reflect the top end of the NIR wavelength intensity and some radiant way beyond 2500nm. So you get low SHGC's from both films but Drei is doing most of its work between 780-2500nm so they advertise the 98% IR rej. But Drei is also 35% vlt so couple it with the IR rej and that is why you get high heat rejection with low reflectivity. It is a very special film, good for a car if you are talented enough to install it on one. I am not.

It is a very tough film to put on a car and in a lot of cases it has to be seemed on the back glass. I make sure and inform the customer that Drei will be seemed but they will not see the seem. Usually not a deal breaker. It does not like heat at all, but believe it or not it doesn't ghost as easily as the Ceramic line. I average about two cars a month with it and the customers love the film and the look after the install. They don't like how much I charge for it but it takes a lot longer to install.

Hello,
Im in the SF bay area, we carry Geoshield Ceramic films, we use these films as an alternative to Huper, we dont use
huper because currently there isnt a market for it. If interested id like to help you with any info you are looking to get.
or lead you to a shop herein the bay area who uses huper film your looking for. Here's our site www.366tint.com

Drei is an awsome film, but, the only thing that i dont like is that some of the huper folims have copper properties and WILL oxidize green after awhile. No BS here i've seen it more than twice. do your homework b/f buying any film products. hope this helps, good luck.

Which ones?

Can you explain what film this was and type of scenario you have seen this happen in. I have seen plenty of copper films go bad and have not seen any turn green . The only situation that I would see a potential problem with this happening in would be in a mechanical room to a swimming pool. As no metal films will last for a long period of time in such a situation and will show very different signs of deterioration due to the fact of the type of chemicals used to maintain a Swimming pool.