this is for the owners ..

was just wondering..do you guys/gals pay your employees full retail if you give customers deals..and the owner...you...take the cut...for instance...dealers,friends,dealer referals etc....or...if you throw in a window strip to a customer...

I still pay 35% of the price of the car. We don't do discounts, but if we do happen to lower the price for some reason they get paid the % of the discounted price.

If they don't want that I get my hourly employees to tint it & then they get 0%...

WE take the hit if we give someone a deal if it is a friend or favor for someone at a dealer we pay the employee what they would normally get. We dont do favors for alot of people though we have to every now and again keeps em happy

Just my input, although I do agree with IT in the tint field. In audio installations, the salesman was to consult with the installer first when cutting prices. If it was a difficult job, special "show type" job or a favor, then depending on salesman/installer relationship, a deal could be struck. The was simply to be fair and show some respect. In the end the installer almost always does it regardless. If they didn't want to, then back to someone else or an hourly

That was always fair to me

although i don't have employees, i have had this problem. my dad would send his "buddies" to me. and expected me to give them a discount. i told him "you're buddy, is NOT my buddy". i told him i would be more than happy to give them a discount as long as he himself covered the rest of the price.

i don't believe it's right to ask an installer to work for less just because the boss or owner decides to give a discount. if he wants to give the discount, it should come from his pocket, not the installer.

just want to add this---
THIS KIND OF BULLSHIAT IS WHY I OWN MY OWN SHOP.

I don't like discounts either. cuts into my play money.

I would NOT work for someone else, period!

Discounts are few & far between so my installer knows it's something special if I give any discount. I usually will do the discounted vehicle myself & it's a voluntery thing if he wants to help.

Anyone want to come and open a shop here?? I'd love to actually make some money.

Bingo

yeah...but my boss is an asshat...and give discounts almost daily...and it is p1ss1ng me off...DAILY... ..


he give deals to friend of friends of friends...or even better dealers friends...

asshat .....tell that ashhat to tint the @#$% himself if he wants to do it for nothing, my times worth money...i'd pay him the measly 20 bucks he expects me to work for just to sit on my ass for the hour it would take to tint the car. whoa sorry....good thing i make the prices and hand out the cash at the end of the job.

I usually give my guy the same price regardless of what the price is.

give comissiom on what the custormer pays

I have a retail price and a wholesale price (car dealers). I pay my installers % on the wholesale price if I decide to give a tint job to a long time customer or if like the other day the customer tried to pass a bad check (telecheck worth the money) then used a extra set of keys to drive off as he went to get personal stuff out of the car so we could keep it till he could pay for it! Tinters got paid wholesale %, customer ended up in jail the next day and I lost all the way around…………..
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wow an extra key eh...i've thought someone might try that. Whenever the cars out of the shop sitting for the customer we try and write down the license plate...not regularly but if we get a feeling or something. we know the local cops and could easily get it taken care of.

I disagree with paying the installer a lower rate if you are giving a "buddy deal" to someone. It's not the tinter's buddy, why should the installer take the hit?

If the bossmang wants to give a discount price to a buddy, or for whatever reason, then let the bossmang take the hit. The installer is still doing the same amount of work, and is still expected to give a first rate job. Just because the boss wants to give a friend a break on the price...then let the boss actually take thr hit for giving the price break. Pay that dang installer what he would normally get on the job.

After all, it's not the installer's buddy that is getting the price break, it's the boss's buddy, let the bossmang eat the difference.

no shiat...the boss should take that kick in the nuts. not the installer

i dont think i quite understand this thread?

you guys come to tell me workers/installers get paid by the car they do?


not hourly?

Every tint job i've ever had, i've been paid comission.

no shiat.

werd

both statements 100% correct

The reverse would be when you hit a home run on say doing an easy car for alot of $$$ does the tinter just get paid on the regular price?? If I have to give a discount I usually tip the tinter a little,but whose shop is it???

I work on the commission thing and think it works out great.90% of the jobs are home runs and it is good. every once in a while we do a discounted job and my comm rate is the same. I don't complain about these because of all the home runs pay so well. it all works out in the end 4 me.

well yeah man...i've been sitting around all day on this cloudy saturday afternoon and cant imagine if i had to be paying someone hourly wage, i wouldnt expect it myself. not a thing to be done except maybe clean. We have a meeting at the begining when we have someone work for us telling them that when they do something they get payed for it...you may sit around a lot waiting for cars but when the cars come the money is worth the waiting part.

when I was working on comm. i required a base pay, or that the owners spot me my first car, everyday. That way I at least got paid for my time sitting around, talking to customers and handling the phone shoppers. I felt that was very fair.
I intend to do the same for my installers someday,
if not spot them a car, have some hourly base pay.

why can't employer and employee agree on a set or fixed price on like for instance 35% on a fixed price of 170.00= 59.50. it doesn't matter if the job got sold for 150.00 or 250.00. employee gets his/hers %.

how about salary plus commision if the sales goals are met, the commission could be considered a bonus paid weekly , monthly/

works for us...bonuses are always a plus, including lunches, ocassional dinners and trips to the bar.

I see it form both ends.
As an employee I wouldn't want to spend 5,6, 7, hours somewhere and have nothing to show for it. I mean at least send me home with a $40 spot just for being available, and ready.

As an employer I want my workers to be motivated to be one time, and work hard, and have a good moral. If I have to spot a car or give a base pay to keep things moving then so be it.

Come on we have all had our bad days, weeks and even months. as a commisoin only worker you don't want to stuck if there is not enough work. and as am employer you have to prepair for the swing in the seasons.


All in All there just need me to an agreement on who, what and how much by both parties.

not to mention that if there's no work and commission employee stays all day just to be available then i will pay minimum wage for doin nothing. but if 1 car shows and commission is less than minimum wage than i pay whatevers more.

I pay my tinters a certain amount per window regardless if we are charging less or if we happen to charge more, I do it this way because I have seven full time installers, and there is always more than 1 person on a car at one time. this makes it easy to keep track of what each tinter does, in order to pay them at the end of the week.

look i work for a shop i am sub contracted and i think that we should still get the same price no matter what cause if i was doin a famly members car i would still give the guy i work for what he wanted

I dont pay commisions. I have 3 employees a experienced guy , a cleaner and a cutting machine . Tinters dont apply for jobs at my shop in the 4 months of summer .They all come looking for a job the other 8 months around september when thier 35% jobs go bust. I pay the same whether i do 15 cars or no cars 12 months a year and have no problems keeping employees. My employee cost is around 18-20% .


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[quote=thetintshop,Jun 28 2004, 09:37 PM] i don't believe it's right to ask an installer to work for less just because the boss or owner decides to give a discount. if he wants to give the discount, it should come from his pocket, not the installer. [/quote]
Bingo

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pay the tinter what he´s worth!! they don´t grow on trees!!

Bingo. I do the discounts myself or at least pitch in. but they get paid on the amount the customer paid. Discounts are rare indeed. Usually a 10% on a multi car deal, and it comes off the final car.
It happens more frequently that I get more than our normal price on a car, and when that happens, they get paid on the amount paid by the custy. Before taxes, of course!! So every thing works out well.

get this at the old shop i used to work at the boss thought he'd get over on me and pay me commission only on the discounted price which was already only 10% and i can out tint him anyday and hes been doin it for 22 years so anyway he traded a tint job for some speakers and a cd player and expected me to not get paid for it... yeah... right... jerk off i got my money trust me he'd always say i took a cut so you gotta take a cut.. well buddy its not my fault you took a cut.. like said before this is the kinda stuff that makes me own my own shop!

I have tinted for all types of pay,

One job I was base pay + commission
if we did 2000 in a week I as paid 10 percent
2500 in a week I was paid 15 percent
3000 I was paid 20 percent
4000 was 25

another job I was commission only... 32%... that job didnt make me any dollars so I split my time and worked for two shops (two different towns... wouldnt do that in a single town)
second paid %35

32% went to garbage because he started letting other people do the work so I didnt make money so I went to the %35 full time...
Well that went to garbage to so they put me on hourly so I wouldnt quit because I could sell the hell out of cd players and woofers.
did it for kicks while being bored waiting on tint jobs.

lol that business went bankrupt

Now I am Salary, I make vinyl graphics and decals along with window tint. My employer pays me a guaranteed same amount every week I work the same hours every week. I pay my mortgage and feed my wife and kid. I've been here for 2 years now and I make damn sure I earn my money by not wasting time and staying on task. We all know we need the money and we know window tint isnt hard work.

commission is good money for a couple of months out of the year, salary is definite money every week. you might take a pay cut, but there is no doubt about it you will have money as expected, you just have to do more work for it.

If your on commission then you really need to agree upon the commission, if you had done that before hand you would not be in the dilemma.. Don't be afraid to talk about the terms of you working there... I treat all my employers like business partners... everyone has to be paid and if people are paid what they are expected they do better work. if you had known about the lower commissions on doing discounted tint jobs then you would not be here making this post .
Have a good one