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Heat Forming Helpkeepitcool Original Member Kid Rock Posts: 81 (10/12/02 7:17:41 am) i give up! ok im swallowing a little pride and asking for a little help or advice.hopefully i can fix the problem by someone explaining in detail but im the type of person that needs to see some one do it.i keep screwing up the dry shrinking can anyone help me i think im over shrinking but i dont know how TintDude Tint Hizzo Posts: 5064 (10/12/02 6:15:19 pm) Re: i give up! Well, tell us exactly what you are doing and we may be able to tell what your'e doing wrong mikewilliams4750 Posts: 2912 (10/12/02 6:17:29 pm) Re: i give up! i have a tought time internet tinting. Tintslut shop boy Posts: 19 (10/12/02 7:29:41 pm) Re: i give up! make a deal with ya,,, If your thinking of giving up,,, Turn yourself in now,, and maybe we'll go easy on ya IBtintn shop boy Posts: 22 (10/12/02 11:23:03 pm) Re: i give up! dont give up . it takes patience and time . just spit what you're doin so everyone can try and help. mikewilliams4750 Posts: 2935 (10/13/02 7:08:43 am) Re: i give up! took me a couple years before i felt confident i could handle anything thrown at me. and it took me 4 years before i got really good at tinting. its not easy. mikewilliams4750 Posts: 2946 (10/13/02 3:29:39 pm) Re: i give up! keepitcool Original Member Kid Rock Posts: 82 (10/14/02 7:34:10 am) Re: i give up! its not that im not good or i am just learing how to tint, i've been tinting for 11 yrs and i run my own shop, it's just that ever since i found this site and discovered dry shrink methods, i've tried to wean myself off the wet shrink. i've been using for years.i never had anyone show mw how to shrink a back glass i just kind of taught myself and luckily i happened to be one of the few like you guys that had a natural ability for it. now with that said i want to apologize for the amount of time it took to respond, i posted this subject saturday morning i think then worked all day checked for responses then went home, i don't have a puter at home so this is the first ive seen of the responses since then.ill do my best to expain my dry shrink procedure.first i spray and wipe the sizing spray on and let it dry, then i run a line of moisture right through the middle of the window horizontally, i lay the film down, cut to size (usually half inch to 2 inches bigger on top and bottom, i separate fingers and anchor the sides, ive tried doing it without anchoring sides too and it totally over shrinks because the sides of the film pull up and loosen the anchoring in the middle and pulls film from the bottom and shrinks way too much, anyway, back to the normal way i do it, i start shrinking at the top corner at the mouth or big end of the finger and work only the top part about 1-2 inches down towards the center, i do this on bothsides then i start heating from the middle to the outside and outside to middle in little circles switching from one side to the other every so often to get a more even shrink, i continue this until iget this long kind of bubble or pocket of air near the middle of the window but not disrupting the anchor in the middle.i also should mention that i dont smooth the film at all i dont tough the film throughout the entire shrink process i have to read the film a little closer but it seems to work out good for me, ive tried to smooth before and it just felt awkward and i couldnt figure it out. so back to it, i repeat this process on the bottom as well making sure that once i seal the bottom edge of the film and work my way toward the center i dont let the long bubble or pocet of air on the bottom combine w thw one on top, if that makes sense, basically not letting the anchoring lift.when im done and it is done right i should end up w/ a bunch of horizontall bubbles across the top and bottom . then i lft the film and wet it down, this is where i end up creasing it, i squegee the film down to see how it fits and i have trouble in the middle area of the windowsometimes i cant smooth the film out enough with my hands to be able to squeegee it down w/ out creasing, i end up with these really tight lines or bubbles that im trying to work towards the top or bottom or wherever they will go, and if i do get the film down the bottom corners almost always lift up and pull the rest of the bottom up with them, so you can imagine what it does on the inside.i dont know if im overshrinking or undershrinking, i cant seem to get a grasp for the smoothing techniqe because ive done it like this so long. dont get me wrong i dont screw up every window i try most of the time they come out great with no fingers on the inside after sticking everything lays down perfect, but every once in a while this happens and it happens more often than i like, itrs driving me crazy to know what im doing wrong, but like i said im a visual person and ive never seen this done before so i dont even know what the right way looks like.i am using a dyed/metallized film by soler zone but i have tried other films w/ same result.any help is appreciated. ive got so many questions i cant even think of thgem until im doing the shrinking. tintfx Posts: 12 (10/14/02 7:47:21 am) Re: i give up! when I heat shrink, instead of starting at the "mouth" or big end as you call it, I ALWAYS heat just the tips of fingers and push them back to the edge of the glass.. This could be the source of your problem. I simply lay the film (this is for wet or dry methods) on the glass, anchor from left to right in the center and the up and down on the sides to force finger from side edges. Run heat gun from point of finger to base just enough to distort the finger with a towel wrapped hard card right in behind. Sometimes I use just a towel to shape film then come back through a second time with gun and hard card for tight fit. Depends on the vehicle. Side fingers after installation are common, I just heat them FROM THE OUTSIDE, and push them down with a hard card, but if they dont lay down fairly easily let them cure for a day or so and them go back to them and they should push down.... TintDude Tint Hizzo Posts: 5109 (10/14/02 7:59:12 am) Re: i give up! To me it sounds like overshrinking. I start at the point of the finger and work toward the edge, smoothing down and dividing fingers as i go, instead of trying to do the mouth first and running the horizontal air pocket down. If i don't smooth as i go, i tend to get over/under shrinks. Also, there is no need for a wet check after dryersheet/sizer shrinking. To me it sounds like you are good at powder shrinking and are trying the same techiniques for the dryersheets, i think this is where you are getting in trouble. They are two entirely different techniques to me. TintDude Tint Hizzo Posts: 5110 (10/14/02 8:02:15 am) Re: i give up! Also, you dont need to wet the glass for the anchor, thats the point of the sheets/sizer, the film will hover over it without sticking like powder, but WILL stick when smothed like wet. If you are 'no touch' shrinking, it doesn't make sense to use sheets/sizer. keepitcool Original Member Kid Rock Posts: 83 (10/14/02 8:32:35 am) Re: i give up! so the source of my problem could be a few different things. 1- i need to start at the point of the finger.2-i dont need to anchor the film w/ water 3-i need to get comfortable w/ smoothing. do u use a glove or a soft cloth? at what temp are you heating with. my problem w/ smoothing is when i heat it and try to go over it sometimed i use too much pressure and crease the film. well ive got an 02 impala to do right now so thats a good one to start to learn with not to hard.do you du it any different for a difficult window? i h\know one of these guys doesnt anchor the sides, have you tried that and is it easier?once again thanks for the help now its up to me to take it from here. TD IS THE MAN!! TintDude Tint Hizzo Posts: 5111 (10/14/02 8:46:39 am) Re: i give up! i use a rolled up blue paper shop towel to smooth. I find that if i smooth an area that doesnt have enough shrink, that i will crease it. I use the heat gun on the highest setting, keeping the heat gun a bit farther away from the film as i would a wet shrink, to shrink a wider area more slowly. For me its easier not to anchor the sides right away, instead i hold the gun even farther away than normal, shrinking the side subtley as i anchor it. Impala is a great car to learn this on keepitcool Original Member Kid Rock Posts: 84 (10/14/02 8:49:46 am) Re: i give up! so the source of my problem could be a few different things. 1- i need to start at the point of the finger.2-i dont need to anchor the film w/ water 3-i need to get comfortable w/ smoothing. do u use a glove or a soft cloth? at what temp are you heating with. my problem w/ smoothing is when i heat it and try to go over it sometimed i use too much pressure and crease the film. well ive got an 02 impala to do right now so thats a good one to start to learn with not to hard.do you du it any different for a difficult window? i h\know one of these guys doesnt anchor the sides, have you tried that and is it easier?once again thanks for the help now its up to me to take it from here. TD IS THE MAN!! keepitcool Original Member Kid Rock Posts: 85 (10/14/02 8:54:52 am) Re: I give up! Sorry about that double post. Just got done with the Impala, I did everything different and it worked great. I followed up w/ a wet test and it layed down like a prom date w/ the exception of a couple half inch fingers and a loose edge at the top that needed a little more convincing it went well, thank you, I just need to get alittle harder of a car in here,my next one is a malibu 01. |
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