I'd hate to be the tinter involved

September 22, 2006

What about DARK LICENSE PLATE COVERS???
Same thing.. you can buy them at walmart for $15.00, you put them on your car and you get a fine. Same with HEADLIGHT COVERS, you can buy them for $30.00 but put them on your car you get a fine, get in an accident at night, and your automatically to blame becasue they couldn't see you...

IT'S REALLY UP TO THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE VEHICLE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

if its DIY yes. if it is professionally installed the professional is expected to work WITHIN the law

September 22, 2006

Being a professional tinter, can't you have some sort of verbage on a receipt that states, "I know the tinting laws for my state and am aware that (Tint Shop's Name) will not be liable for any accidents/tickets, due to illegally tinted windows."

The reason I ask this is that everyone I know gets their cars illegally tinted, most end up taking it off after a few tickets, but what I'm concerned about (and yes USA is a sue-happy country) is what this article is saying...tint *may* have caused this person to not see a pedestrian and either the family of the victim, the city/state, or the driver of the vehicle would try to sue the tinter.

Does anyone make their customer's sign a document stating that they made that person aware of the current tint laws in their area?

No, you cannot have that verbage in there and not be held liable. The only legal way I have found to put "Less than legal" Film on a car is to have the car brought to your shop on a flat bed/ tow truck. Without tags, and have the customer sign a "Show Car waiver" stating that the vehicle will not be operated on public roadways. And when they come to get it, it leaves on a flatbed/ tow truck, without tags!

The newer tint laws vary from state to state, but most have a "law enforcement" exemption built in. Which I believe is BS, who's to say that LEO ( Law Enforcement Officer, not you leo'n'Dartz!! )can drive better tha me? Or his eyesight is better than mine?

TD and I are pretty much on the same page here. (Civil Rights erosion) I don't think that any legislative body has a right to tell me what I can or cannot put on my car to protect my investment, or privacy, Both constitutionally guaranteed rights. What they DO have the power to legislate is the bubbled up distorted film that is impossible for anyone to see out of. THAT is a visual hazzard. They can regulate that. But how can a legislative body decide what YOU as an individual can see thru? Whats next, outlawing sunglasses? Or boating in navigable waterways? :drevi See my other post in the Foo Bar... Driving, a right not a privelege

the bubbled up nasty purple tint that ppl have on their cars have always more dangerous then darker tint IMO..ADD I WAYS WILL BE...I mean..I can ANYONE see out of they of the crap if you can even see in it.

coolzone · September 22, 2006

I started to respond to this thread again and realized I was typing a book about it and noone really wanted to read all of that.

-My opinion is the driver is ultimately responsible regardless of the level of illegal tint. The tint did not make her look the other way or talk on cell phone or listen to music too loudly.

-The tinter, if there is a penalty in their state for too dark of tint or windshields should face the penalty for that rather than the penalty for running someone over. If there is not anything tracing the penalty to whoever installed it then, well nothing else to be said about the tinter except why even put yourself in that kind of situation anyway.

blade · September 22, 2006

IT'S REALLY UP TO THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE VEHICLE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

not here......

it's illegal to INSTALL any film that does not meet the specifications of RCW code blah blah blah. illegal installation of film can result in up to a $10,000 fine for the business owner, $1500 fine per installer that did/or is doing the work, and loss of business license.

I don't really need to worry about it here though. net law 24% is pretty damn nice. :beer

September 23, 2006

no receipt, no warranty, and cash only.... good luck

:beer :beer If you are going to do it .... CYA!!! :lol :lol

flat rock stan · September 23, 2006

Why would you give a copy to the customer? Have it signed and filed in your office for YOUR use. The waiver has saved me many times when the customer comes in mad claiming we did not tell them a ticket could be in thier future. I personaly would not sign our show car waiver but no one reads it! :beer

Those waivers have been used against the tinter, it is basically an admission by the tinter that he/she knowingly installed illegal tint. That waiver can and has bit tinters in the arse.

RICHat22 · September 23, 2006

IT'S REALLY UP TO THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE VEHICLE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

not here......

it's illegal to INSTALL any film that does not meet the specifications of RCW code blah blah blah. illegal installation of film can result in up to a $10,000 fine for the business owner, $1500 fine per installer that did/or is doing the work, and loss of business license.

I don't really need to worry about it here though. net law 24% is pretty damn nice.

I believe there is a similar law going in effect here but not enforced locally. Seems like it was $5K per shop and $500 per tinter or something. Can't remember if it passed.

Regardless... This is most of the reason I don't tint illegal. And I try to abide by the law in most cases. Most people don't realize the obstruction of view with even 35 on the front or a low ghetto brow not just from the VLT, but the distortion of some films. :beer I'll stick to tinting legal and sleeping well at night. Oh, and waivers won't hold up in court, verbal or written, if you broke the law installing. In this state, a medical waiver from medical or eye doctor and state govt. approved is the only way you're going dark here.

wndotint · September 23, 2006

In response to the original news story, the vehicle HAD to be travelling pretty fast to hurl a grown adult over 100'. I don't know where most of you sit, but I don't look out of the side windows to go FORWARD! She would not have been seen through the sides even if the vehicle had been going 5 MPH. As for the windshield being tinted, maybe it was just a visor down too far. Don't get me wrong, I am NOT condoning illegal tint. But the driver AND the pedestrian are at fault here.

alltracpete · September 23, 2006

I dont think there is any law again installation in NC of illegal anything for ars. Its all up to the owner fo the vehicle to assure that his/her vehicle is legal. Not that is smart to have the front dark.. I wont go under 20 on sides of cars. If anyone gets sued, its going to be the girl, not the tinter.

BIG E · September 23, 2006

In response to the original news story, the vehicle HAD to be travelling pretty fast to hurl a grown adult over 100'. I don't know where most of you sit, but I don't look out of the side windows to go FORWARD! She would not have been seen through the sides even if the vehicle had been going 5 MPH. As for the windshield being tinted, maybe it was just a visor down too far. Don't get me wrong, I am NOT condoning illegal tint. But the driver AND the pedestrian are at fault here.

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