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Wow. VC did one heck of a job on this. Bravo.

I just added a few little things. SORRY FOR THE CAPS!

-Howard

#1 Is better known as "glue dye" by the folks in the orient, it is very prevalent there. It is a very cheap way to construct film with the inherent flaw of the color being fully exposed with no UV protection, it is also been know to "bleed off" during installation if handled imporperly.

100% AGREED. VERY POPULAR DUE TO $$$. QUALITY VARIES DEPENDING ON MANU.

#2 Is much different from color in the mounting adhesive. Color in the laminating adhesive means that you can protect the dye by placing a piece of weatherable polyester in front of the laminating adhesive and laminate a clear coat with SR coat on top of that. This setup extends the longevity of the dye and also eliminates the bleeding problem. Some MFG's that use this technique will offer lifetime warranties (translation= 7-10yrs expected life) on this type of film construction.

100% AGREED. NOTE THAT COLOR LONGEVITY CONTINUES TO IMPROVE AND SOME NOW RIVAL DYED FILM. DEPENDS WHERE YOU BUY THEM.

#3 Color chips are mixed with PET chips and extruded... it is getting better but you can still see the difference between extruded and dyed films. Dyed still looks better -imo.

100% AGREED. DYED IS KING (& MOST EXPENSIVE).

#4 Not too many dye houses out there... CPF owns two of them. Deep dye layers with UV absorbers in front accelerate test out far enough to where they are marketed as "color stable."

AGREED - ADD GARWARE & SUN-TEK, ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT BELIEVED THAT THEY PRODUCE ANYTHING OVER AND BEYOND WHAT THEY CONSUME ON THEIR OWN.

#5 Coating metal on to PET substrate. Leo will say that the Russians did it first. 3M says they invented it. Madico was in there early on. CPF will say that they do it better than anyone but doesn't everyone make that claim? The most common material used is aluminum.

100% AGREED. METAL INCREASES SOLAR PERFORMANCE AND ALLOWS FOR DARKER VLTs USING LESS DYE.

#6 They been coating ITO to PET for over 25yrs now. I don't believe that CPF was the first to do it. Ceramics start as metals but once they go through a chemical reaction and are changed to "oxides" they become atomically stable or "inert" and can no longer go through a chemical reaction. In this state they are no longer classified as metals but are now ceramics, there are thousands of combinations but only a few work well for solar control window film.

AGREED, BUT IS NANO CERAMIC A "CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUE"???. NOT SURE WHY IT'S ON THIS LIST.

#7 Dyed polyester is laminated to a metalized layer to reduce reflectivity and visible light transmittance. Some dyed layers are actually pigmented layers and MFG's are really testy about calling them "dyed."

AGREED. NOTE THAT DYED POLYESTER IS OFTEN METALIZED AS WELL AND THEN LAMINATED "FACE IN" TO REDUCE OBJECTIONABLE EXTERIOR VLR.

#8 A general term that is used to refer to a method of depositing metals and oxides to film substrates. Dislocation of surface atoms of a metal from bombardment by high-energy positive ions from an argon gas plasma and the deposition of these freed atoms onto a substrate. Sputtering offers a lower-temperature process than thermal evaporation and produces deposits that more closely replicate the initial composition of the metal, allowing thin depositions of a great variety of materials that have a much higher melting point than aluminum. Atoms freed in the sputtering process unite easily with gases such as oxygen to produce reactive deposits to achieve metallic oxide coatings with transparent and/or insulating properties.

AGREED. PRIMARY BENEFITS (2) OF SPUTTERING: ALLOWS FOR GREATER RANGE OF METALS TO BE USED. ALSO > COATING IS UNIFORM IN THICKNESS AND DENSITY. THESE FILMS MAY BLOCK SIGNALS, HOWEVER.

#9 Vapor deposition metals are changed to a vapor state and condensed through condensation, chemical reaction, or conversion to form a solid material. Vapor deposition is a common way of depositing elements with low melting points like aluminum to film substrates. There are two types (PVD & CVD) CVD involves heat & gases and PVD involves plasma & gases.

100% AGREED. MOST COMMON DEPOSITION TECHNIQUE IN USE TODAY. BENEFITS: COST. ALSO, CAN BE SIGNAL FRIENDLY.

#10 Popular alloy used in sputtering.

100% AGREED. VERY POPULAR, VERY STABLE. A "CORNERSTONE" PRODUCT IN ANY LINEUP. CAUTION: NIC 35% HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN OUR #1 GLASS BREAKER. NOT SURE WHY.

Just a side note on ITO, ATO, TiN they are not coated metals, they are classified as ceramic. Two out of the three are nano in size. You can coat metal with them but the downside is the haze factor that is present in some combinations.

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Wow. VC did one heck of a job on this. Bravo.

I just added a few little things. SORRY FOR THE CAPS!

-Howard

#1 Is better known as "glue dye" by the folks in the orient, it is very prevalent there. It is a very cheap way to construct film with the inherent flaw of the color being fully exposed with no UV protection, it is also been know to "bleed off" during installation if handled imporperly.

100% AGREED. VERY POPULAR DUE TO $$$. QUALITY VARIES DEPENDING ON MANU.

#2 Is much different from color in the mounting adhesive. Color in the laminating adhesive means that you can protect the dye by placing a piece of weatherable polyester in front of the laminating adhesive and laminate a clear coat with SR coat on top of that. This setup extends the longevity of the dye and also eliminates the bleeding problem. Some MFG's that use this technique will offer lifetime warranties (translation= 7-10yrs expected life) on this type of film construction.

100% AGREED. NOTE THAT COLOR LONGEVITY CONTINUES TO IMPROVE AND SOME NOW RIVAL DYED FILM. DEPENDS WHERE YOU BUY THEM.

#3 Color chips are mixed with PET chips and extruded... it is getting better but you can still see the difference between extruded and dyed films. Dyed still looks better -imo.

100% AGREED. DYED IS KING (& MOST EXPENSIVE).

#4 Not too many dye houses out there... CPF owns two of them. Deep dye layers with UV absorbers in front accelerate test out far enough to where they are marketed as "color stable."

AGREED - ADD GARWARE & SUN-TEK, ALTHOUGH IT IS NOT BELIEVED THAT THEY PRODUCE ANYTHING OVER AND BEYOND WHAT THEY CONSUME ON THEIR OWN.

#5 Coating metal on to PET substrate. Leo will say that the Russians did it first. 3M says they invented it. Madico was in there early on. CPF will say that they do it better than anyone but doesn't everyone make that claim? The most common material used is aluminum.

100% AGREED. METAL INCREASES SOLAR PERFORMANCE AND ALLOWS FOR DARKER VLTs USING LESS DYE.

#6 They been coating ITO to PET for over 25yrs now. I don't believe that CPF was the first to do it. Ceramics start as metals but once they go through a chemical reaction and are changed to "oxides" they become atomically stable or "inert" and can no longer go through a chemical reaction. In this state they are no longer classified as metals but are now ceramics, there are thousands of combinations but only a few work well for solar control window film.

AGREED, BUT IS NANO CERAMIC A "CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUE"???. NOT SURE WHY IT'S ON THIS LIST.

#7 Dyed polyester is laminated to a metalized layer to reduce reflectivity and visible light transmittance. Some dyed layers are actually pigmented layers and MFG's are really testy about calling them "dyed."

AGREED. NOTE THAT DYED POLYESTER IS OFTEN METALIZED AS WELL AND THEN LAMINATED "FACE IN" TO REDUCE OBJECTIONABLE EXTERIOR VLR.

#8 A general term that is used to refer to a method of depositing metals and oxides to film substrates. Dislocation of surface atoms of a metal from bombardment by high-energy positive ions from an argon gas plasma and the deposition of these freed atoms onto a substrate. Sputtering offers a lower-temperature process than thermal evaporation and produces deposits that more closely replicate the initial composition of the metal, allowing thin depositions of a great variety of materials that have a much higher melting point than aluminum. Atoms freed in the sputtering process unite easily with gases such as oxygen to produce reactive deposits to achieve metallic oxide coatings with transparent and/or insulating properties.

AGREED. PRIMARY BENEFITS (2) OF SPUTTERING: ALLOWS FOR GREATER RANGE OF METALS TO BE USED. ALSO > COATING IS UNIFORM IN THICKNESS AND DENSITY. THESE FILMS MAY BLOCK SIGNALS, HOWEVER.

#9 Vapor deposition metals are changed to a vapor state and condensed through condensation, chemical reaction, or conversion to form a solid material. Vapor deposition is a common way of depositing elements with low melting points like aluminum to film substrates. There are two types (PVD & CVD) CVD involves heat & gases and PVD involves plasma & gases.

100% AGREED. MOST COMMON DEPOSITION TECHNIQUE IN USE TODAY. BENEFITS: COST. ALSO, CAN BE SIGNAL FRIENDLY.

#10 Popular alloy used in sputtering.

100% AGREED. VERY POPULAR, VERY STABLE. A "CORNERSTONE" PRODUCT IN ANY LINEUP. CAUTION: NIC 35% HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN OUR #1 GLASS BREAKER. NOT SURE WHY.

Just a side note on ITO, ATO, TiN they are not coated metals, they are classified as ceramic. Two out of the three are nano in size. You can coat metal with them but the downside is the haze factor that is present in some combinations.

Ha ha.....Howard does this verbiage and "order" look familiar? It should its out of your packet you recently sent me..ha. By the way, the info pack that you sent out is awesome and has everything a new client would need to know BUT a brief explanation of tint construction and process might do the packet some good. I'm sure many veterans in the industry can tell you what each of the above is, but for the newer people such as myself, it might be something to consider and beneficial. Sales 101, tell me what your selling, tell me why your selling it, and tell me why I should buy it. Keep up the great job at EWF I've have had a great experience with those of spoken to on the phone. :thumb

Oh...and thanks for your explanation above too.

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Ha ha.....Howard does this verbiage and "order" look familiar? It should its out of your packet you recently sent me..ha. By the way, the info pack that you sent out is awesome and has everything a new client would need to know BUT a brief explanation of tint construction and process might do the packet some good. I'm sure many veterans in the industry can tell you what each of the above is, but for the newer people such as myself, it might be something to consider and beneficial. Sales 101, tell me what your selling, tell me why your selling it, and tell me why I should buy it. Keep up the great job at EWF I've have had a great experience with those of spoken to on the phone. :thumb

Oh...and thanks for your explanation above too.

That's so funny - I should have recognized that list came from the Product Construction Datasheet included in our New Customer Info Kits. I am very glad you liked the packet, thanks for the kind words.

You're right. We could go into even more detail about each of the pluses and minuses of each construction but I think we might already be overloading new prospects with too much information. You are one of the few that actually read it in detail. I admire that.

We do have customers for all of those films. I think it's a matter of selecting the one that fits your needs.

Anyone that would like to see the Express Welcome Kit being referred to in this post can make the request at: http://buytint.com/contact.html

We'll shoot it right out to you along with a set of our beautiful sample decks. No cost, no obligation, no hassle. Please mention Tintdude in the comments box.

Thanks and regards,

Howard

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