How would you splice?

[Roach]

So look at the US window film market. What is it $500 million? How much of that is 72" ceramic? How long will it take to pay off a 72" sputtering machine?

This is a valid excuse in the eyes of some MFG's, they just can't afford to do it. The numbers don't add up.

Alright... let me pose this question then. The film manufacturers who have a 72" machine - standard and/or ceramic.... how many of them make films for other companies?

I know every film company does not own their own machines.... so If everyone makes films for everyone else... either fully or in part, I don't see what the difference would be with someone doing it for ceramic films.

Unless I'm just totally offbase..

Plus 90% of the homes I tint have windows that are larger then 60"... and not all have grids that you can hide a seem.

It's just something that is lacking in this industry... IMO.

[vquestfilms.com]

So look at the US window film market. What is it $500 million? How much of that is 72" ceramic? How long will it take to pay off a 72" sputtering machine?

This is a valid excuse in the eyes of some MFG's, they just can't afford to do it. The numbers don't add up.

Alright... let me pose this question then. The film manufacturers who have a 72" machine - standard and/or ceramic.... how many of them make films for other companies?

Just about all of them.

I know every film company does not own their own machines.... so If everyone makes films for everyone else... either fully or in part, I don't see what the difference would be with someone doing it for ceramic films.

Unless I'm just totally offbase..

There are many reasons... a few I can think of off hand are patents that prevent duplication and move companies into licensing agreements, then there are probably various business strategies that keep some companies from supplying others.

Plus 90% of the homes I tint have windows that are larger then 60"... and not all have grids that you can hide a seem.

It's just something that is lacking in this industry... IMO.

You are right, 72" has its advantages for us all.

[Fiveofeen]

Well, if you are good at splicing you can make that sucker practically disappear with 60vlt film.

You seemed to miss my splice on my C-40 pic and that was a big one.

I feel like I'm getting hazed here, no worries though I'll push back. First, I said "avoid splicing at all costs" then Roach said he had no option, the customer doesn't seem to care about. Under that circumstance and against all professional preference you can splice MAC 60 and out of all of the MAC line a well-done splice on 60% vlt film will probably never be noticed by most people who are not window tinters.

The irony is that there is 72" ceramic 60 but due to the intricacies of business he can't get his hands on it so thus the need for a splice. A sad reality...

there is a 72'' mac 3000 but it does not match the 60'' mac 3000 from my understanding. Have fun installing that film too!

good to know

No I did not miss your splice on the upper windows you did in the pic you posted, I could see that a mile away.... .... .....

Plus you had said you seamed the upper windows...

BTW, the machine used to make one of the main components in the Mac 6000 and it was used when it was purchased to manufachure that film.

MAC and several other film lines

[MikeMN]

Well, if you are good at splicing you can make that sucker practically disappear with 60vlt film.

You seemed to miss my splice on my C-40 pic and that was a big one.

I feel like I'm getting hazed here, no worries though I'll push back. First, I said "avoid splicing at all costs" then Roach said he had no option, the customer doesn't seem to care about. Under that circumstance and against all professional preference you can splice MAC 60 and out of all of the MAC line a well-done splice on 60% vlt film will probably never be noticed by most people who are not window tinters.

The irony is that there is 72" ceramic 60 but due to the intricacies of business he can't get his hands on it so thus the need for a splice. A sad reality...

there is a 72'' mac 3000 but it does not match the 60'' mac 3000 from my understanding. Have fun installing that film too!

good to know

No I did not miss your splice on the upper windows you did in the pic you posted, I could see that a mile away.... .... .....

Plus you had said you seamed the upper windows...

BTW, the machine used to make one of the main components in the Mac 6000 and it was used when it was purchased to manufachure that film.

MAC and several other film lines

In only 60" .........

[Fiveofeen]

Well, if you are good at splicing you can make that sucker practically disappear with 60vlt film.

You seemed to miss my splice on my C-40 pic and that was a big one.

I feel like I'm getting hazed here, no worries though I'll push back. First, I said "avoid splicing at all costs" then Roach said he had no option, the customer doesn't seem to care about. Under that circumstance and against all professional preference you can splice MAC 60 and out of all of the MAC line a well-done splice on 60% vlt film will probably never be noticed by most people who are not window tinters.

The irony is that there is 72" ceramic 60 but due to the intricacies of business he can't get his hands on it so thus the need for a splice. A sad reality...

there is a 72'' mac 3000 but it does not match the 60'' mac 3000 from my understanding. Have fun installing that film too!

good to know

No I did not miss your splice on the upper windows you did in the pic you posted, I could see that a mile away.... .... .....

Plus you had said you seamed the upper windows...

BTW, the machine used to make one of the main components in the Mac 6000 and it was used when it was purchased to manufachure that film.

MAC and several other film lines

In only 60" .........

The 72" is a brother from a different mother.

[MikeMN]

Well, if you are good at splicing you can make that sucker practically disappear with 60vlt film.

You seemed to miss my splice on my C-40 pic and that was a big one.

I feel like I'm getting hazed here, no worries though I'll push back. First, I said "avoid splicing at all costs" then Roach said he had no option, the customer doesn't seem to care about. Under that circumstance and against all professional preference you can splice MAC 60 and out of all of the MAC line a well-done splice on 60% vlt film will probably never be noticed by most people who are not window tinters.

The irony is that there is 72" ceramic 60 but due to the intricacies of business he can't get his hands on it so thus the need for a splice. A sad reality...

there is a 72'' mac 3000 but it does not match the 60'' mac 3000 from my understanding. Have fun installing that film too!

good to know

No I did not miss your splice on the upper windows you did in the pic you posted, I could see that a mile away.... .... .....

Plus you had said you seamed the upper windows...

BTW, the machine used to make one of the main components in the Mac 6000 and it was used when it was purchased to manufachure that film.

MAC and several other film lines

In only 60" .........

The 72" is a brother from a different mother.

[vquestfilms.com]

MAC and several other film lines

In only 60" .........

That's the Tempe machine, yep 60" maybe 64" with the flashers extended that's all you get.

The 72" is a brother from a different mother.

Step brother... Ascher has his own separate gig.

[Roach]

There are many reasons... a few I can think of off hand are patents that prevent duplication and move companies into licensing agreements, then there are probably various business strategies that keep some companies from supplying others.

You are right, 72" has its advantages for us all.

It can't be any different then any other lines of films that each have agreements with others for.... If they can do it for one film, they can do it for another.

I don't care if it's going to cost $$$ for agreements.... look at IP. Tech companies battle it out every day over patents and lic. agreements. Personally I think many are patent trolls.... but with film, there is a tangible product that would be part of the deal and not just some idea that never sees the light of day.

I think the real issue is that there is such a low cost to enter the industry.... hacks won't buy film that costs 2-3 times what a standard film would be.... hence low volume sold... low returns.

But there has to be an answer...

[coast2coasttinting]

roach if it's less then 65 inches get a film strecher. They are cheap and very handy in this situation.

[Booms]

Personally I think many are patent trolls .... but with film, there is a tangible product that would be part of the deal and not just some idea that never sees the light of day.........

Agreed......Googles purchase of Motorola/Android was ALL about the patents, and control of them..... all 7500 of them....