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we're going to hell in a handbasket. and going pretty damn fast.

At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution,

in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The

University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The

Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior.

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a

permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up

until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous

gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes

for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public

treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose

fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world?s greatest civilizations from the beginning

of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these

nations always progressed through the following sequence:

>From to spiritual faith;

>From spiritual faith to great courage;

>From courage to liberty;

>From liberty to abundance;

>From abundance to complacency;

>From complacency to apathy;

>From apathy to dependence;

>From dependence back into ."

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul,

Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent

Presidential election:

Population of counties won by:

Gore=127 million

Bush=143 million

Square miles of land won by:



States won by:



murd3r rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:



Professor Olson adds:

"In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land

owned b y the tax-paying citizens of this grea t country. Gore's territory

encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and

living off government welfare..."

Olson believes the U.S. is now somewhere between the "apathy" and

"complacency" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy; with

some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the

"governmental dependency" phase.

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Guest fastlanedesigns

That is some interesting information TTS. Sounds entirely plausible too. I actually would have thought we were further into dependence. Maybe I am just a pessemist. Thanks for the info.

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Guest MungMan
You are absolutely right TTS. It's just too bad that the person we elected as a "conservative" has been a bigger liberal that Clinton ever could hope to be.

I am surprised that you feel Bush is a liberal. Has anyone been following what the FCC and support from the religious right (The Fellowship) are doing to our freedom of speech? Our current government is in bed with religious fanatics who are tiring to dictate what Americans can and can't watch on TV, hear on the radio, and read in magazines. Bush is a big supporter of these religious fanatics and he supports their practices largely due to the huge amounts of money and housing perks the Fellowship has been providing for years. If you think Bush is liberal I don't agree, if bush wins the election even this site will be affected by the crazed FCC. No anti Bush talk will be allowed and any posts with vulgarity and or sexual references will be deleted or you will be fined. Obviously it would take years for the FCC to take over and regulate the Internet but that is where it?s headed. A world full of idiots who are not allowed to think freely or make there own choices.

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Guest MungMan
I consider "liberals" as people who are for big government and for trying to control every aspect of your lives, and a conservative as someone who believes in very limited government and hands off our lives.

TD I know Kerry isn't perfect but at this point I think anyone is a better choice then Bush. Who are you guys voting for?

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