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  1. The is a lot of opinion in this statement and very little truth.
  2. Strange that 3M still puts IR bulbs in there heat demo’s...You think they know about the whole 94% of the energy being only infrared? I’d think that they would be the first ones to blow the lid off of these slight of bandwidth tricks... huh
  3. In my travels, I walk into a lot of shops and there are ones who make good use of their store front windows and the natural light that shines through. Most places I visit are sunny most of the time so it is not an impractical suggestion to use natural sunlight. But you aren’t right, cloudy conditions do exist and these are great for film demonstrations as well. When you think about it, is it not the conditions that the consumer will be driving in? Should they not get an idea of what the VLT will look like on a cloudy day? Or how much iridescence a Film will show on a cloudy or even rain day? Some films look like rainbow dichroic Films when it rains... If I were a consumer spending $700+ for a tint job, I’d want to know about all of that beforehand. There is a practical place for a sunlight demonstration, you just have to get creative. Granted, a quick way to bounce between different Films types to feel energy filtering differences has its place but my point is to be as accurate as possible and don’t deceive a consumer whether it be knowingly or unknowingly. We’re professionals, right? At the very least, do as Smartie suggested and use a halogen bulb. Reducing the representation of the incoming Solar spectral energy to less than half by using IR bulbs totally stacks the deck and using an IR bulb with an IR absorbing Film and measuring the comparative difference between with a btu meter is taking misrepresentation of film performance to a whole new level. Now that you know, it’s time to go to the hardware store.
  4. I strongly disagree with the lightbulb demo... An IR Heat lamp emits roughly 94% of its energy as IR. As most already know, the IR spectrum makes up less than half of the total solar spectrum energy. So to simulate IR only and use that to determine Film choice is very misleading. Take a 70% vlt IR Film for instance. It will not feel the same in the vehicle as it does under the IR lamp. It is a simple fact.
  5. Approach it like a business person... Measure the job and calculate (Cost of materials + cost of labor) * (growth margin percentage) = bid price Assuming you want to grow your business and do more large projects?
  6. For a vehicle? It is much more complex equation than simply calculating the percentage of increase in TSER of one film over the next. Technically speaking, the most effective way for a consumer to determine the real world difference between two film’s TSER’s is for you the Dealer to ditch the infrared heat lamp demo and simulate real sunlight conditions. Place decent sized samples on single pane clear glass exposed to the sun and. “feel the difference” with your face and hands. No meters, no misleading French fry bulbs... just plain old real sunlight conditions.
  7. Yeah, the whole thing started sounding very familiar once you mentioned your glass type and situation. You have some good companies involved so next thing to do is get your HOA to sign off on your choice so you don’t run into issues with them. If it is in the back of the house then Fusion 28 could be an option. It is somewhat reflective for daytime privacy but less reflective to the exterior than Slate 30.
  8. From your description of your glass this job sounds familiar... If you are working with Sun Tamers, your Film 2 glass exception verbal request was taken and approved by me verbally. I asked the Dealer to submit the request in writing so that you the consumer can have an approval in writing. I believe that is where the proverbial ball has been dropped because the Dealer has yet to return the form to me. Please contact them if you want C30, you will have full Standard MFG warranty or the No-Risk upgrade if you wish to purchase it. Other low reflective options are Huper Ceramic 35... It performs better than C40 and almost as well as C30. The C35 is less reflective than most 35% vlt dual reflectives. Dual reflective films are solid options but you but you have to mount a decent size sample to the glass next to the lower reflective products and ask yourself the critical questions; “Which Film looks the best on my home?” and “Whic Film meets my visual expectations?” I’m with Tom... I wouldn’t go much lower than 35% on a DR film for a residence. HOA approval is going to be a must if they have CC&R’s regarding reflective films. My experience in CA is that most associations approve 15% VLR to the exterior or lower. Anything higher meets with push back from the design review committees.
  9. You won't have a problem unless: -The glass edge is chipped -There is a condition creating a 50F difference or > in surface temperature on annealed glass You will have: -No glass breakage warranty -Depending on the auto film you choose, most likely less performance than a film designed for flat glass
  10. Huper Ceramic is 100% non-dye/non-carbon with the highest performance in that group. Autobahn is a film line developed by Huper Optik USA. Rayno is still sorting out their issues. SG UP is not ceramic according to their website. I know most of the shops in So Cal... who are you considering? You can have the best film in the world all picked out for your car. However, if the installing company is sub par then what you will be left with is a great window film poorly installed on your vehicle.
  11. TSER and SHGC figures both account for and include absorbed and re-radiated solar energy. Films either reflect energy, absorb energy or do a little of both. A high absorber will "feel" warmer in the immediate vicinity of the glass surface but when you factor in the reduction in absorbed IR by interior surfaces then you can start to understand why the total energy transmission figure is equal or better than its lower absorbing counterpart.
  12. In my experience "Elite Networks" and "Special Training" is nothing but marketing fluff. An "Elite Network" is simply a group of dealers that have access to products that the rest of the dealer organization does not have access too. In this case Panorama dealers are Solar Gard dealers that have access to Panorama films made by the same MFG that the rest of the Solar Gard network does not have access to. Does that make them "Elite" or better than other window film dealers? No, they simply are given access to the Panorama line usually because they make some kind of special commitment to promoting that line of film. "Special training" is usually done by the MFG which is not uncommon throughout the industry. My issue with training. A trained installer is not necessarily a "capable" installer. There is no MFG guarantee that you as a consumer will have a capable installer working on your home even though they market their dealer network as "trained." What if the trained installer gets fired or leaves on Friday and today you get a new hire working on your house? Can Panorama or any MFG control that? Nope. What if the MFG trainer lacks the experience or skill to properly train installers? I know some of these folks and I can tell you that they do not install film on a regular basis and yet they are the ones teaching others... mostly from a book or manual. I don't recommend buying into this fluff. Get references, go with that gut feeling you get when you have confidence in a company rather than compromising that feeling for a lower price. Remember Ben Franklin's quote: " The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." Ok, let's talk tech... Your desire to research is very commendable. "Spectral Select" is a descriptive term with a qualifier. All films are filters that "select" or more accurately "allow" certain wavelengths of the solar spectrum to pass thru the film. The industry gives the term "spectrally select" to films of all compositions that have a Luminous Efficacy (LE) of 1.0 or >. Most films in that class are "Sputtered" and use rare metals like silver and gold. Is it possible for a non-metal film to be spectrally select? Yes, there are a few but they are expensive and many use IR absorbing dyes which have limited lifespans before their effectivety starts to diminish. "Sputtering" is a manufacturing process that is very precise way layering of coatings in 1 atom thick layers. It is expensive but it yields the best optical qualities. Huper Select and Ceramic, Panorama Hilite, Vista VS 60/70, 3M ceramic are all sputtered films. If you "install" (don't tape them) samples to the window, you will see the differences in optical quality from one film to the next. Let the sun come through at angle and you will probably be able to pick out the Vista films because they tend to exhibit 'low angle haze.' Panorama CX is a new product for them so that is the risk you may be taking. Dual layer is a must have in toilet paper and worth the added expense. In film, dual layer is incorporated to reduce reflectivity . It does not enhance the durability. So in the case of a dye-free ceramic like Huper, they patented dual layer technology to reduce the reflectivity of their ceramics without the use of dyes, carbon or pigments. Again, pllace both product next to each other and you will see differences. SunTek UVLDS... Just place it up next to the others and let the sun shine through it. I've seen consumer complaints about the higher vlt's not rejecting enough heat. You can use your hand or face to determine if it meets your expectation. Stay away from BTU meters... those are misleading. Bottom line... You can pick the best film in the world but if the company that installs this film does not do a great job, then you are left with a great film that is poorly installed. Get references, go with who you are most comfortable doing business with. Look at the installed samples and choose what looks nice and balances out with everything mentioned in this thread. Window film is one of the most effective and least expensive energy saving upgrades that you can put on your home... that is a fact. If you want to PM me, I know a lot of the companies in your area. I'd be happy to give you additional input.
  13. Huper is dye free TiN ceramic which will not oxidize like the tin oxide counterparts. That alone is worth paying more because oxidation is a risk. Irvine is within 25mi from the ocean so I’d stay away from Hilite because it contains silver and can corode. Vista Terre Ceramic also has silver in it so it is not the best choice. 3M Prestige claims to have a higher TSER but you have to take into account two issues. According to their patent, Prestige contains IR absorbing dye which is known to break down after a few years. The breakdown affects Film performance over time. The other issue is the optical quality. Place any of those films next to Prestige and ask yourself “which looks better?” “Which has sharper optics?” Prestige has what is called ‘color shift’ due to the 200 layers of multiple density material. I’d recommend mounting all Films under consideration and asking those two questions.
  14. A ceramic Film can be considered “spectrally select” if the LE is 1.0 or greater... but most spectral select films contain rare metals. The higher the LE ratio the more you will most likely pay for the Film because high LE films are complex and more expensive to make. The highest IR reducer (780-2500nm) with the lowest SHGC and VLR @ 35% VLT would be Huper Optik Drei at 98%IRR and a 0.30 SHGC and a 12% VLR. A very unique film... Panorama Ceramic is actually a poorer performer than other available ceramics. Compare their SHGC’s and you will see where Panorama CX comes up short.
  15. Nice opportunity at the IWFA show for Rick to discuss that topic with Darrel Smith, Mark Carlson, Lisa Winkler to name a few that were there... How come he does not bring this topic up in that circle of professionals?