llumar precision cut

September 18, 2006

I just dont get why you arent lookin for another engineering gig but what do I know.

Plus, the dude is full of it, in case you haven't noticed !!!!

Are you talking about me??? just curious

Fiveofeen · September 18, 2006

I'm sure rcoote will do fine, I am just amazed cause I am tinting to get through school and he is tinting cause he cant find work with his degree.

September 18, 2006

llumar precision cut, what do you think of it for window film? I want to get into the PPF soon but am going to start with window film. Is it good, worth it or waste of time??????
Thanx

I have been using the precision cut actually since a few months before they launched their program. They jumped into it running and have not looked back !! There have been a few pattern issues and some issues may still arise but I ASSURE you they are VERY FAST to correct the situation. They value our/my input alot. When you purchase their package for the year, it comes with ppf and graphics.

now if you only do a few cars a week then I would say that is alot of jack to lay out. I do about 3 to 4 cars a day. Alot of guys on here will nock the computer cut gig. I tint for a living, not an ego. Do not get me wrong I can and still do some cars handcut that they may not have the patterns for (mostly old stuff) . I think that you must learn to hand cut first then move to the plotter as you get busier. But the less time I spend working the the less of a chance a deer has a chance of living another day this time of year!!!!

Its an employee thats never late, never bitches or complains about the drama with his chic. never throws an attitude. I could not live without mine thats for sure. I applaud all the old schoolers for sticking to there guns for doing it old school way but I think this is the future. I have been able to raise my prices since switching and have some customers that drive up to 2 hrs to get "computer cut film technology" It is a wonderful selling point and people want it.

this has all been my opinion, and I am sure I will be ripped a new one for my opinion on some stuff, but I have been using it and love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

September 18, 2006

llumar precision cut, what do you think of it for window film? I want to get into the PPF soon but am going to start with window film. Is it good, worth it or waste of time??????

Thanx

I have been using the precision cut actually since a few months before they launched their program. They jumped into it running and have not looked back !! There have been a few pattern issues and some issues may still arise but I ASSURE you they are VERY FAST to correct the situation. They value our/my input alot. When you purchase their package for the year, it comes with ppf and graphics.

now if you only do a few cars a week then I would say that is alot of jack to lay out. I do about 3 to 4 cars a day. Alot of guys on here will nock the computer cut gig. I tint for a living, not an ego. Do not get me wrong I can and still do some cars handcut that they may not have the patterns for (mostly old stuff) . I think that you must learn to hand cut first then move to the plotter as you get busier. But the less time I spend working the the less of a chance a deer has a chance of living another day this time of year!!!!

Its an employee thats never late, never bitches or complains about the drama with his chic. never throws an attitude. I could not live without mine thats for sure. I applaud all the old schoolers for sticking to there guns for doing it old school way but I think this is the future. I have been able to raise my prices since switching and have some customers that drive up to 2 hrs to get "computer cut film technology" It is a wonderful selling point and people want it.

this has all been my opinion, and I am sure I will be ripped a new one for my opinion on some stuff, but I have been using it and love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank so you so much for the reply. I definitely am going to start with hand cuts for practice but if and when I do grow my business. I will look into the Llumar system.

THANK YOU :lol6

September 18, 2006

llumar precision cut, what do you think of it for window film? I want to get into the PPF soon but am going to start with window film. Is it good, worth it or waste of time??????

Thanx

I have been able to raise my prices since switching and have some customers that drive up to 2 hrs to get "computer cut film technology"

thats a good point :lol6

September 18, 2006

I'm sure rcoote will do fine, I am just amazed cause I am tinting to get through school and he is tinting cause he cant find work with his degree.

I will be honest here. The way things are going these days. I CAN FIND WORK, but it now involves short term contracts and a lot of moving. I have a family and don't want to be chasing in house contracts from city to city, state to state. I get paid for the hours I work. and I'm ALWAYS THE ONE AT THE END OF THE PAY SCALE. the custmers pays x-amount for the work, I only see half of that. Its fair, but there isn't much chance for catching up when you've had a slow year. In engineering there aren't too many salary jobs anymore. PLUS, being electronic files, a lot of jobs are going to india because for ONE, they don't have the gov't come in to check for pirated software which costs $30,000 per year per station. And two, they work for half of what be charge. When it comes to engineering, there are set rates to make it fair - as per the gov't rulings. SO WE'RE F-CKED.

I will open a shop up and slowly expand it and make it one of the larger shops in the area. A one stop shopping for the car lover. TINT, DETAILING, PPF and maybe PDR. My dads been doing it for ever, he restores Vintage autos. It will take time, and I'm not jumping head first, going to slowly build this up so when I advertise something I know I can do it right and with professional accuracy.

I've managed to keep over 40 customers for almost 10 years for some of them and I work out of my house. I sure I can pull of tint.

BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND - thanks for the help. When I go to my training I'll be fully aware of what they throw at me and try to sell me.

Richard

TINTDESIGNZ · September 18, 2006

llumar precision cut, what do you think of it for window film? I want to get into the PPF soon but am going to start with window film. Is it good, worth it or waste of time??????

Thanx

I have been using the precision cut actually since a few months before they launched their program. They jumped into it running and have not looked back !! There have been a few pattern issues and some issues may still arise but I ASSURE you they are VERY FAST to correct the situation. They value our/my input alot. When you purchase their package for the year, it comes with ppf and graphics.

now if you only do a few cars a week then I would say that is alot of jack to lay out. I do about 3 to 4 cars a day. Alot of guys on here will nock the computer cut gig. I tint for a living, not an ego. Do not get me wrong I can and still do some cars handcut that they may not have the patterns for (mostly old stuff) . I think that you must learn to hand cut first then move to the plotter as you get busier. But the less time I spend working the the less of a chance a deer has a chance of living another day this time of year!!!!

Its an employee thats never late, never bitches or complains about the drama with his chic. never throws an attitude. I could not live without mine thats for sure. I applaud all the old schoolers for sticking to there guns for doing it old school way but I think this is the future. I have been able to raise my prices since switching and have some customers that drive up to 2 hrs to get "computer cut film technology" It is a wonderful selling point and people want it.

this has all been my opinion, and I am sure I will be ripped a new one for my opinion on some stuff, but I have been using it and love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ! Funny thing is most people that blast computercut programs either dont have one or have one and dont know how to use it-or cant afford one to begin with! I wouldnt trade mine for any tinter out there! PERIOD!

September 18, 2006

there's a lot of negativity towards "tinting software"

I'm not going to use the term computer cut because there is an actual software package called computer cut, and I wouldn't want anyone to think my comments are directed towards that one in particular.

accent doesn't post a lot, and it takes him forever to type, so he must have felt strongly regarding the subject in order for him to say what he did.

if you're just starting out, you don't really NEED it.

a tint customer mainly checks for three things:

1) did they damage my car

2) is there a lot of dirt specks

3) what do the edges look like?

a tinting software package will help with #1 (customer perceived more than actual fact) and #3 (this comes with an asterisk).

Not having to worry so much about #1 & #3 will help you focus your skills on getting a clean installation (#2).

Now for the asterisk.

Old school tinters like to talk about pattern fit in tinting software packages. The fact is, for someone who has never tinted before, obviously a tinting software package will look better than them hand cutting a pattern.

The other fact is, for 90% of tint customers the patterns fit well enough(not specific shop clientele, mind you, but 90% of tint customers in general -- so no "my customers expect..." comments, please). The tint customer that is concerned with how the edges look is mainly concerned with the size of the micro-edge and the SMOOTHNESS of the cut top edge. Is it wavy, jumpy, etc? Software tint templates might not always be consistently micro-edged, but they're certainly not wiggly.

I have used several different packages. Although I don't have PrecisionCut in my own shop, YET, I would if it was out when I was shopping for a system. I cut vinyl, and I aslo have a software package and use my plotter for tint. Llumar's software Precision Cut has excellent looking/fitting templates. Better than the templates I have.

In a nutshell, I have the wrong plotter for PrecisionCut.

If you are seriously considering this route, DO NOT OUTSOURCE YOUR PLOTTER. Many will tell you "it's just a vinyl cutter" so you might think you'll be able to get it cheaper elsewhere. What you save in plotter cost, you will lose in wasted time and material as you wade through settings.

Being an Engineer, you know your way around a software package, and you probably know your way around a pen plotter. You may be tempted to figure it out on your own, as I was. Your distributor has access to far more information than you do. Make use of that.

September 18, 2006

You should DEFINITELY learn how to cut well by hand first, then maybe get computer, an experienced tinter can do 4-8 cars a day, well, without an expensive computer.

September 18, 2006

there's a lot of negativity towards "tinting software"
I'm not going to use the term computer cut because there is an actual software package called computer cut, and I wouldn't want anyone to think my comments are directed towards that one in particular.

accent doesn't post a lot, and it takes him forever to type, so he must have felt strongly regarding the subject in order for him to say what he did.

if you're just starting out, you don't really NEED it.

a tint customer mainly checks for three things:

1) did they damage my car

2) is there a lot of dirt specks

3) what do the edges look like?

a tinting software package will help with #1 (customer perceived more than actual fact) and #3 (this comes with an asterisk).

Not having to worry so much about #1 & #3 will help you focus your skills on getting a clean installation (#2).

Now for the asterisk.

Old school tinters like to talk about pattern fit in tinting software packages. The fact is, for someone who has never tinted before, obviously a tinting software package will look better than them hand cutting a pattern.

The other fact is, for 90% of tint customers the patterns fit well enough(not specific shop clientele, mind you, but 90% of tint customers in general -- so no "my customers expect..." comments, please). The tint customer that is concerned with how the edges look is mainly concerned with the size of the micro-edge and the SMOOTHNESS of the cut top edge. Is it wavy, jumpy, etc? Software tint templates might not always be consistently micro-edged, but they're certainly not wiggly.

I have used several different packages. Although I don't have PrecisionCut in my own shop, YET, I would if it was out when I was shopping for a system. I cut vinyl, and I aslo have a software package and use my plotter for tint. Llumar's software Precision Cut has excellent looking/fitting templates. Better than the templates I have.

In a nutshell, I have the wrong plotter for PrecisionCut.

If you are seriously considering this route, DO NOT OUTSOURCE YOUR PLOTTER. Many will tell you "it's just a vinyl cutter" so you might think you'll be able to get it cheaper elsewhere. What you save in plotter cost, you will lose in wasted time and material as you wade through settings.

Being an Engineer, you know your way around a software package, and you probably know your way around a pen plotter. You may be tempted to figure it out on your own, as I was. Your distributor has access to far more information than you do. Make use of that.

Thank you for your time in your reply :lol6

At first thought I was thinking I could prolly use any plotter. But I just finished reading about how the plotter they supply is made with window film and saftey film plus PPF in mind. AND you get TECH SUPPORT and free service when you get the entire package which comes with a computer, software and plotter.

I def. do not need a computer but I guess having a computer just for the business only with no INTERNET will be better in the long run.

Thanx for all the replies.. especially to accent if he only replies to good topics and it takes him a long time to type :bingo

It may be a year before I get the system, but if everything works better than planned it could be 6 months. I just like knowing as much as I can before jumping in..

THANK YOU

Richard