Paint Protection Film, Clear Bra Forum
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PPF Training 1 2
by FBO- 14 replies
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Hello, i have been thinking about getting into PPF., for the past six years, the only two things that kept me from getting into it was, Space, my shop is literally 700 square feet, and also the lack of demand, as i live in a city/town of 70k people. I will be moving into a bigger shop in August, early September, the new shop is 2100 sq ft., and i have noticed more and more people are starting to ask if we do PPF., Which leads me to believe that "NOW" there is a market for it, and if people are asking for it without any advertising, then its time to start offering it.I know this for fact, i do not want to carry mmm, my friend had his Nissan SUV done in Sacramento by a repu…
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Lines in PPF 1 2
by DSIRKO- 12 replies
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Hey I'm looking for a little install advice. I use XPEL film with the install gel. On 2 separate installs now I have had horizontal lines left in the hood. I squeegee that direction so I don't know if I'm doing it wrong or what. I have been installing for awhile and this is the first it has happened. What makes me think it's not a squeegee issue is on the fender if you look closely in the light there is also lines that look almost like a road map. My customer is understandably not pleased with this. I am reinstalling tomorrow and just wanted some ideas on what everyone thinks is happening. The defect doesn't seem to be in my roll of film because one was cut on 2…
Last reply by XPEL Jeff, -
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Hi, I am wondering if anyone here have a term and condition for PPF and Wraps that I can see. We make everyone sign one for window tint, ppf, and wraps service, but I feel that our term and condition is weak for ppf and wraps. The bottom is the one I got here for window tint. Drying time: Your new window film will take about 3 to 5 days to fully dry, sometimes a lot longer depending on film brand, type, and weather conditions. Until this time your tinted windows may appear hazy or lumpy, and it may seem to have water bubbles. Do not roll your tinted windows down until dry! Cleaning Window film may be cleaned with a soft clean cloth and…
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One of the installers here is offering LLUMAR. Is the LLumar film currently just rebranded SunTek?
Last reply by TINTZEUS, -
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How can I get this trouble area to stay adhered? I can work it /press it down smooth, yet is lifts back up to this (see photo). Will a stronger mix of alcohol/water do it? Or some add adhesive? It is the only 1"-2" section on an entire hood that is otherwise perfect....don't want to do over again....it is on my car.
Last reply by minty, -
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Does anyone know any tool to cut PPF rolls that does not damage the product?
Last reply by eks_br, -
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We've had many problems with Suntek's ppf department. Not the ppf itself. Their department frequently forgets to include pieces from the kits we order or they come in bad shape (creases,exposed and partially peeled pieces) unusable. So we are looking for a different company and product. Anybody use Solar gard's yet? We're looking for feedback on a mani's pre-cut patterns and film itself. We like how Xpel's installs and the patterns are great, but they're ridiculous expensive. Who do you guy's like?
Last reply by XPEL Jeff, -
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HELP, I have a stain on 3 week old Premium Shield... just bought the car, white... was gone on vacation for 10 days (car sat outside for 10 days). Drove car once, tried to clean, but not coming off... Cleaned with just soap and water, did not want to rub hard. ANY HELP would be greatly appreciated
Last reply by PPFdistributing, -
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Just wondering which are the films that come with a cap sheet. I know VS Ultra and Durashield Titan comes with a Cap sheet. Which are the others?
Last reply by Jake, -
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Did not like this at all. Weak Adhesive and ripped super easy. If you use too much alcohol it curls and loses all adhesive, almost turns into a over priced saran wrap. The clarity seemed fine on a pearl white car, a little orange peely, I could live with that if it actually stuck to the paint. Used Rapid Prep and a Clay bar to prep. Have 2.5 hours into this ting after it tore on the hood. will not be stocking this
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Anyone know who's making film for Mazda? No self healing or even scratch resistant and discoloring considered normal especially on white.
Last reply by minty, -
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Hi All, After having cars peppered with rocks over the years, I am looking to have Paint Protection Film installed on my new car! The only installer in the area uses Hexis Bodyfence with it being a 2hour drive to someone that uses anything else. Problem is, I cant find much reviews or info on Hexise Bodyfence so thought id ask the experts. Cant seem to find anything on it here to, which leads me to believe its not the greatest product around: - Anyone used it and can comment on the quality? - What is its stance in the Paint Protection Marketplace? - If it isn't great quality, why would they be installing it instead of offering something better? And depe…
Last reply by Tinteks, -
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Nano fusion vs Xpel Ultimate vs Hexis body fence vs Suntek Which would you recommend out in the hot desert sun/dust/humidity. ( Thicker film, least yellowing ) ?
Last reply by UZJ1111, -
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Have any the installers here done a booth at a small car show? By small I mean 100ish cars at most. Ppf isn't well know in my area. Just looking to get the word out about Ppf as well as let everyone know they have a local company that istalls. Any ideas or advice about what to do to draw people to a booth or anything would be awesome. Thanx
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suntek film 1 2 3
by iiball- 29 replies
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Is it me or is there something different about suntek film meaning the adhesive sometimes I get silvering like I did on some other film brands I use to never get it with this film before I have not change any way I installed or have use any different mixing.
Last reply by Speed, -
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Very impressed with installation finish and the fact that compared to others it actually feels like it could stop a good stone impact.
Last reply by tango2, -
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Hi all, DIY dude here. I'd like to do ppf myself and wondering if anyone is selling patterns for a small charge? I just need all patterns available for 1 car only. thanks!
Last reply by Tint Yoda, -
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man.....im so upset today....I have a regular customer that own 1 lamborghini Huracan, 3 Ferrari and 1 Porsche turbo.....We work on all of his car.... Yesterday he had a message saying the first Spyder Huracan in the US just arrived in Houston...So today he went to purchase it and got a upsell to install Xpel film for 6k. He text me saying he will bring it to me and take it out of the deal. Xpel talk him into bringing it to them so they make a template for the car and do it there....I didn't want to be pushing my regular customer so I just said OK....biting my tongue..... The mess up part is .....Just last year we decided to carry Xpel and went to their training cl…
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Hey all! 1st post here. i am a proud new owner of a 2016 VW GTI 4 Door, 6 Speed Manual, PP, DCC in the DC/NOVA area. I really enjoy the car so far especially with the DCC on the rough DC roads. Torque puts a smile on my face every time! So, i am staying ahead of the curve and immediately got a clear bra or Paint Protection Film put on my car. I did a bunch of research and decided to get PremiumShield Elite (i did a bunch of research on XPEL, Sunteck, etc.) Just got the car done today, now it still needs time to settle in (water bubbles need to work themselves out). But there are a few spots that i believe are "not perfect" and its giving me a bit of anxiety. So my ques…
Last reply by PPFdistributing, -
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Are there any plotters that do not work with DAP? Looking at a 52pro Lx GCC ?
Last reply by PPFdistributing, -
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Trying to figure out how do air bubbles appear after I have installed the film a week also later?The film im using is suntek its been happening more often than before.Any reason why this is happening?
Last reply by PoopcornPoppers, -
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Are you able to apply paint protection film over front bumper sensors without any repercussions?
Last reply by pro-tect mobile, -
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Looking for any tips on installing XPEL Ultimate on a replacement/repainted front bumper. One of the higher end shops in the area did the work, it's an OE replacement bumper so complete repaint and it's been over a month now. I've done hood and fender replacements on repainted panels but first repainted bumper cover... Been using XPEL 2.0 install gel and curious if that is ideal for this type of install or would a soap solution offer any benefits? Not sure I want to experiment at this stage on the bumper but thought it wouldn't hurt to ask for some suggestions! Thanks.
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DAP fees 1 2 3
by envious eric- 26 replies
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Is there a different pricing structure for different people? I was told of another company who has like $17 dollar DAP fees, where I am paying about 60 for a full front, give or take... Last month my fees were throught he roof at over 1000 bucks and now I have added trucut to save some of that money in the bank. But, what are other options in order to reduce the costs?
Last reply by minty, -
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Anybody know of a rear bumper pattern for the 2017 Porsche 911 991 Carrera 4 rear bumper? Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
Last reply by PPFdistributing, -
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Looking at Purchasing a car at Lamborghini Dallas. Can anyone here look over the clear bra install for me. Went there this past Saturday and looked good except few minor things on the bumper and a piece of the mirror coming apart. Would appreciate a pro looking at it to see if it needs anything. Thanks In advance.
Last reply by PPFdistributing, -
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Shop is not climate controlled. What are some tips you guys have? Cutting and trimming was a botch, the film was rubbery. Weeding was a paint 10 min after it sat in the shop, which had to be 95 degrees today. Edges wouldn't go down very easy, even with letting them sit. As I said, rubbery feel to the film and very stretchy. Suntek film
Last reply by EyeGlaze2, -
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Has anyone out there done a new 2017 R8 with a One piece hood install? If so.... How so ? What's the procedure, please and thanks
Last reply by Flygti32, -
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Just removed a full hood on a 14 Lexus with pearl paint. Customer said film had discolored but the discoloration seems to be in the "flop" of the paint with a section that has a greenish hue the rest of the hood doesn't have. The problem is where the adhesive was left behind left what looks like worm trails in the clear coat. You can't feel them but you can see them from the right angle. Never had this before and wondered if anyone has seen this or an idea what may have caused it. Customer picking up car with no film on hood to take back to Lexus so see what they can do but I have no clue what happened. Hoping it was a flaw in the original paint but will have to wai…
Last reply by limeybastard, -
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Ok so I'm using Suntek Paint Protection and today I did a 2012 GL-550. I didn't have the kit so most of it I had to handcut. The hood took me forever and I found it difficult to install. It came out good but I'm worried about it lifting up. I did probond the edge but I was still having issues. Can someone give me some pointers if I have to redo it? This was the trouble spot I was working with. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Last reply by Toronto Guy, -
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This was a conversation in the tint section. This is Smartys reply about using dish detergent ..Was wondering what peoples thoughts are to the PPF adhesive? Glycerin is similar to silicone only through its ability to 'also' inhibit (or interfere with) long term bonding on adhesives used in window films. Not in the same ways, though. Glycerin does it through its ability to attract moisture, so residuals of glycerin trapped under the film will continue to attract moisture (through the film to the adhesive) with a resulting affect being a more most adhesive environment. Much the same as high humidity's affect on film adhesive's longevity. The higher the glycerin conte…
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Llumar PPF
by Jake- 9 replies
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It's been a while now since the Suntek, Llumar merger. Rumors floated around that the new lulu PPF was just going to be Suntek with a different adhesive. Does anyone use the Llumar film that can give any input? Or anyone have any info on it?
Last reply by Toronto Guy, -
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Just getting into this, and I've always had confidence in 3M products. But not anymore with Scotchgard after reading a little around here. My impression is that Suntech is clearer, but the fact is that Xpel has the long warranty so I guess we'll go with that. My own car is black, and I want to give it a tuxedo, like this: But I don't want a lighter gray like this, I want a darker brushed metal, like 3M's Brushed Steel. But again, after reading about 3M on this forum maybe there's a better brand. I think this Arlon looks great, except I want it in darker silver: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/the-official-vinyl-wrap-color-thread.58703/page-2#post…
Last reply by Toronto Guy, -
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For you PPF guys. Have any of you used this yet? I've used the knifeless tape for vinyl but saw this and thought I ask you experts about it. I'm not a PPF guy but this would make a lot of guys probably want to try it. You can find the video on Knifeless Tapes website under videos in the top left corner. Justin Pate narrates the video. I couldn't get it to link to the post for some reason. Give me your impressions of it.
Last reply by waxworkz, -
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Searched for this and couldn't find much. Don't have any experience with carbon fiber so I'm just wondering if the PPF will adhere to the porous underside of a carbon fiber hood. Paint on this one only goes roughly 1/16-1/8 of an inch into underside. I don't want it to lift and definitely don't want to get my knife closer than 1/4 inch from the car.
Last reply by PoopcornPoppers, -
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I am just beginner of this PPF industry, may I ask anyone know the product of TITAN ? how is the quality? Compare to other same product what is your suggestion? I tested with car hood and after sunshine in the afternoon, discover there is something looks like bubble but not exactly bubble. Is there anyone has same issue? The card hood had spray paint just few days ago, couldn’t figure out why is like that. Does anyone know if the issue with paint or the PPF? Really appreciate for all replies
Last reply by TINTZEUS, -
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I have a Challenger Hellcat coming in and it has already had the bumpers hydro-dipped. Does anyone know how durable that coating is as my client is wanting film over the hydro-dip. Thanks
Last reply by southcentraltinting, -
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Hi all, I want to ask you about using a cutting plotter to cut the foil/ppf for the cars. is it useful ? or using hand cutting is better? I have heard that plotters will give exact size which will not allow the worker to fold it inside the groves. and what is the best software to be used for ppf cutting ?
Last reply by XPEL Jeff, -
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where is the best place to pick one up? tried having it weed onto a table, but its a cutting table and the cut marks allows the film to get stuck and jam up I have the fc7000 graphtec
Last reply by blade, -
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I have never used a plotter since I always did bulk installs but its time to buy a plotter. Are the Jaguar's a decent plotter or should I just spend the money on a Graphtec? It is for a small shop only doing about 1 install per day. I have searched and it has been talked about a little but most of the treads are old so I was hoping to get some advice.
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Automotive Tint Comparison
I forgot to ask about Low Angle Haze (LAH), do any particular films have less LAH than others? Is LAH so much of a problem that it's better to avoid ceramic tint and go another kind of tint like SunTek CXP (CarbonXP) CXP -
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At What VLT% does visibility start being impacted
In the jurisdiction in which I live, we are allowed to have 35% in front and 20% in rear. I'm wondering @ what VLT% does the driver's visibility in adverse conditions like night time driving, storms, cloudy weather, fog, floods, etc., start being impacted? Front side windows: 45.00% 43.00% 42.00% 41.00% 40.00% 39.00% 38.00% 37.00% 36.00% 35.00% Rear Side Windows: 38.00% 33.00% 32.00% 31.00% 30.00% 29.00% 27.00% 25.00% 23.00% 22.00% 21.00% 20.00% Rear Window: 45.00% 43.00% 42.00% 41.00% 40.00% 39.00% 38.00% 37.00% 36.00% 35.00% 33.00% 32.00% 31.00% 30.00% 29.00% 27.00% 25.00% 23.00% 22.00% 21.00% 20.00%- Visibility
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Automotive Tint Comparison
If the only tinter providing MEP Films is a mobile tinter that uses more water than normal and I don't have a garage to tint in then would you avoid the tinter and opt for a tinter with a workshop that uses either: SunTek CIR (CeramicIR) CIR SunTek CXP (CarbonXP) CXP SunTek Evolve Solargard VTX Pro Premium Ceramic (by the way, does anyone know where the Technical Spec sheet is, I tried finding to no avail) XPEL Prime XR Black Johnson Window Films InsulatIR IR GLOBAL WINDOW FILMS QDP CERAMIC FILMS Global OZ Window Films CBXtreme Ceramic -
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Why is my film sliding around in GCC Jag V Plotter?
Your film might be sliding around in your GCC Jaguar V plotter due to several reasons. Firstly, ensure that the film is loaded correctly and securely in the plotter's rollers. Check for any debris or dirt on the rollers that could cause slippage. Additionally, ensure that the plotter's settings, such as speed and pressure, are appropriate for the type of film you're using. Using a tackier or adhesive-backed film can also help prevent sliding. Lastly, make sure the plotter's firmware and software are up to date to avoid any compatibility issues that could lead to film slipping during plotting. -
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Cracked glass
I was thinking it would be higher on the absorption.... Great info on the whole post though Tintguy -
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Automotive Tint Comparison
MEP Films distribute Llumar in Australia. I for one have been using Llumar since 1984 and have very rarely had or seen any issues with quality and that is why the brand is my go-to the majority of the time. Sun Tek have some good automotive films that I like, but other than those, I am strictly a Llumar user. BTW Eastman Chemical own both Llumar and SunTek so I imagine their film technology may be somewhat shared. -
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Better shop in Europe to buy Films and Tools?
Hi guys, Im new here and learning how to tint… I live in Europe and to find tools and tints to buy here is very difficult. I just got some tools and tint on this website: tintwrap.eu This website was the only one I could find some felt squeegee and high quality films with the best price to deliver in Europe without ripping me off. the delivery was quick, about 2 days. and the material was high quality as well. Do you guys have any other websites suggestions? Thanks -
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Paint Protection Film (PPF) is it needed or worth it?
I've never had PPF done before and never had issues with the paint on the car looking bad. I usually park in the garage and have had Kia Casa White - Solid on my Sportage since 2015 and no noticeable issues with the paintwork. The new car is Glacier White - Solid I've been told that PPF is beneficial, but very few people I know have actually opted to get it for their cars. I've been told there are many benefits such as: No need to ever wax or use sealant after the coat is applied Stops the paint fading Makes cars super easy to wash Prevents Acid Etching from animal contaminants, hard water spots, tree sap UV Rays Acid Rain (although I don't think I've ever seen acid rain) Repels Water & Grime Saves Water Will not wash off, crack or peel Non-abrasive Self-Healing Properties: repair minor surface scratches and swirl marks on their own when exposed to heat. So is this all simply marketing spin to provide another product to the market without any noticeable benefits? Does the average family car really need PPF or is this more the reserve of the show car, tuner set, car aficionado niche? Brands SystemX Australia Johnson Paint Protection 3M Cleargard Paint Protection Pro Series Film OMNI Nano-Ceramic Surface Coating 3M Scotchgard Paint Protection Film Pro Series Ceramic Coating Package Graphene Coating Package SunTek PPF OZ Paint Protection Film OZ Paint Protection Films GTechniq Ceramic Coatings Tint Haus 10H Ceramic Coating XPEL Ultimate Fusion Swissvax handmade wax range. Opticoat Pro Ceramic Pro 9H CQuartz Finest Pompanazzi Gtechniq Crystal Serum -
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Cracked glass
Follow up: Attached is the performance data for Johnson's Resi/Comm window films and if you look to the bottom you'll see DN50 has a solar absorption of 39%, which is well below the threshold of concern which is generally accepted as 50% absorption (with no shadow). With a straight line shading from the roof this does increase the risk, which is usually low for straight line shading compared to other types. I've also attached a pdf of Johnson's film-to-glass chart which is used to determine how safe a film is. The thicker the glass the higher the risk; you say 6mm tempered and 4mm is the cracked one (interior pane). The question now is what compass direction do these panels face? In the end, I'll just suggest you hook back up with the person that installed it and get his input. He had to have been comfortable suggesting that film. I still believe it's a one off cracked panel and the rest will be fine. It takes 2 seasonal cycles to know for sure. Truly your call as to whether or not to replace with something lighter such as DN60. Here's more helpful info that helps you question the glass type on the interior; is it plate or is it heat-strengthened (HS). I believe it is plate and not tempered or HS. Why? Plate glass with suffer thermal shock if the edge temperature is different than the center of the glass by 50 degrees F. Heat strengthened requires 100 degree F difference, and Tempered requires 200 degree F difference. Ryker chimed in and that stimulated further review. Good Luck with this. johnsonFilmToGlass_2021.pdf- 1
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Cracked glass
Whatever that glass is that cracked it is NOT tempered. DN 50 is pretty high solar absorption and your saying shadows too so you probably need a more reflective film.- 1
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